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Hello Mark, Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it's an obverse 2, reverse D, Freeman 10. (Obverse 2, based on the distance between the top of the bust and the linear circle, the colon between D & G points to a tooth, the position of LC Wyon on the truncation, the position of the ribbon ends etc.) Thanks for the corroboration..... I know what my gut told me, but couldn't be sure on a small screen.. Sorry, I should have pointed out that we were in agreement! I usually struggle on the iPhone, but sitting in front of a 27" iMac now!

Hello Mark, Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it's an obverse 2, reverse D, Freeman 10. (Obverse 2, based on the distance between the top of the bust and the linear circle, the colon between D & G points to a tooth, the position of LC Wyon on the truncation, the position of the ribbon ends etc.)

Then an Peck 1502 copper proof, ornate trident, far colon, reverse upright. Bt. London Coins 02/06/13:

Glad you separated this out, John. A very interesting thread! I have two contributions: Starting with an 1839 bronzed proof, bt. DNW 111 12-13/06/13, ex. Andrew Scothern Collection.

It just goes to show the power of the press over the people. Imagine what could happen if they ever wanted to convince vast swathes of the public of something, whether it was true or not? [...sits back and waits for a certain someone to, probably correctly, mention the Daily Mail]

It was a 1905 half crown sold by Martin Platt on eBay a few months back, so it's no longer listed now and no photo is available (unless anyone made a copy).

Mark's a very well known, high end dealer who certainly know's his coins. I imagine it will either appear in his next published 'list' or he already has a buyer for the coin, possibly in the US. Whatever one may feel about MP, it was a stunning example.

It's strange, but for some reason coin and banknote collectors seem to be entirely different species. Not sure why, but I've never considered collecting notes. Yet Coin News features them. I don't think it's right to say none of us is ever tempted to have a few notes? I've got the 'lion and key / Britannia' fiver (very handsome), plus a ten bob, a few one pounds, and a few blue fivers including a replacement note - and I'd sooner have those than medieval hammered!! I actually do have a couple of old ten bob and pound notes too, though I've never really considered them part of any collection. They certainly bring back memories of the 'good old days'!

They sold an item I bought by mistake, commission free. What other circumstances do you know of? Not that I have much to sell.

It's strange, but for some reason coin and banknote collectors seem to be entirely different species. Not sure why, but I've never considered collecting notes.

This story in the Mail might interest you. If you really want coverage drop them a line. The last coin they featured (1919kn penny off-metal strike) went for £7k, as I recall!

Clive, Dave.... In true eBay fashion, I'm happy to send the note. Postage will be a nominal £100. Thanks Paulus! Considering Matthew Boulton is virtually unknown to the public, and there's been a big push to get females represented on our notes, he's done well! Personally I like the design.

Richard, you've been hacked…. someone's using your account to show copper coins!

Reverse A (on the left) & B (on the right). As Peck says, very different rims/teeth and, as Gary points out, the '1' of 1913 is differently aligned:

Obverse 1 (on the left) & 2 (on the right). 'I' of IND to a tooth or gap.

This must have been discussed before, but I've only just noticed that Matthew Boulton appears alongside James Watt on the rear of the (newer) £50 note! A picture is worth a thousand words, so I thought I'd scan the back of a note and crop the image to post in this thread. Not so easy! The scan worked fine, but when I tried to open it in photoshop I got a message, "This application does not support the editing of banknote images". Clearly there's some clever image recognition going on in the software, so you'll have to look for yourselves!

Hi, and welcome. I prefer to think of myself as a fairly well informed enthusiast, rather than an expert! Nevertheless, I'm sorry to advise that your coin is die combination 6 + G (i.e. a Freeman 33). As I'm sure you're aware, the 5 + G combination is very rare. The easiest way to determine that your coin is obverse 6 is by the gap between the top of the head and the rim. For obverse 6 this is noticeably smaller. Here's obverse 5 (on the left) and obverse 6 (on the right), for comparison:

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Same here, David. I found an F175 amongst thousands of circulation coins but never put it in my collection or on the website, being sure an EF/UNC example would appear shortly. That was several years ago and, although I don't have time to check every 1913 listed on eBay, I've never seen a decent one since! I've come to the conclusion that they're really quite rare. David Groom lists the four types in his book but doesn't discuss relative rarities. I wonder if he has a view on this? Personnally I think the F175 is harder to find in any grade than the F176. I picked up a nice F175 in the summer and was thinking of getting my worn one slabbed as there are currently none on CGS. What put me off is that the slabbing would likely cost more than the coin is worth. Here's my F175 I'd be quite happy with that example, Gary!

The photos work for me if I right click and choose the option to open in another window.

Same here, David. I found an F175 amongst thousands of circulation coins but never put it in my collection or on the website, being sure an EF/UNC example would appear shortly. That was several years ago and, although I don't have time to check every 1913 listed on eBay, I've never seen a decent one since! I've come to the conclusion that they're really quite rare.David Groom lists the four types in his book but doesn't discuss relative rarities. I wonder if he has a view on this?

I'd be interested to see photos of your F176 prior to grading, Gary (and also photos of the example you're keeping). I believe they're a lot rarer than Freeman suggests (Rarity 'R' in his book). For comparison, here's mine, with the typically weak beaded border, which was bought from LC in 2012 for £150:

Be interesting to watch this one from the sidelines...

Fascinating, Rob. Sounds like Spink need to find a postgraduate mathematician looking to do a thesis on predictive analytics and regression techniques applicable to the study of numismatic valuation! They should be able to keep them very busy!

Haha, I wondered how long it would take for the great 'Scottish' actor Mel Gibson to make an appearance! Of course you could have called on that other famous Scottish actor, Sean Connery, but he wouldn't want to give up his tax-exile status by setting foot in the bonnie land!