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Looks as though nobody, including me, has one Rob. The Freeman references are 863 (copper) or 864 (tin). I have an example with the same bust, but without the coronet:

Glad you had a good outcome Mark!

I've made a few jokes but personally I'm not bothered one way or another. I don't think most of there English are. I'm certainly not going to produce any facts to support my position, because I don't have a position on this. The only thing that feels wrong, though, is that the Scots will decide if the want to be part of the UK, but the rest of the UK doesn't get to decide if they want the Scots as members. That is simply not democratic. If the Scots leave, fair enough, but if they decide to stay by a few % then do we really want such uncommitted members in our club?

As I said a while ago, we English should be the ones voting. It's our club, so we should be deciding if we want Salmon and the rest of you as members. You've all become so unappreciative recently that I think a few years in the wilderness will do you some good. Let's untie Scotland and float it off into the North Sea! [Tin hat firmly in place]

I have been in the past. It tends to be low to mid-range coins and more focussed on earlier, hammered issues. Nothing really exciting in my opinion. I didn't stay long. Coinex was much better (at least for me).

Very true, but if Bill Gates or Warren Buffett decided, tomorrow, to collect coins I'm sure it wouldn't take a few well-placed and well-rewarded dealers long to acquire most of things they wanted! They wouldn't be having mine, just as I wouldn't expect someone to sell to me if asked. I might take up an offer to buy if asked, but would not solicit one from the seller without an indication they wanted to sell. I'm certainly not in a position to test your resolve Rob! Interestingly, on your other point, there does seem to be an unspoken ethic about not overtly soliciting the purchase of coins from other collections. It's not something I've seen discussed on here, but it's rather nice.

I've just read the whole thread through and stumbled upon this nugget. Absolutely right it skews the perception of rarity in the market. Similarly, I guess, if collectors wish to realise some cash then it's a lot easier to sell a few big coins than part with the bulk of the rest of their collection.

Very true, but if Bill Gates or Warren Buffett decided, tomorrow, to collect coins I'm sure it wouldn't take a few well-placed and well-rewarded dealers long to acquire most of things they wanted!

A noble ambition - but where do you draw the line? Ok, you've always had a 1922/27 which is mega rare, but what others do you aim to get? Obviously 1933 is the commonest one that's out of reach (well, compared to 1920 type 2, 1926ME reverse 1927, 1922ME, 1952, 1953 type 1, and 1954!!), but there must be very rare issues you don't know if you will ever see or afford? Better late than never (it's been a busy week)... I don't really have a line beyond which I won't go, other than the natural limits of availability and price, which for me are always changing. I therefore see no reason to give up on the possibility of one day owning a 1933 penny, or indeed any other coin. Never say never, there's always the lottery! Though less obvious than some of the headline coins, I'm still picking up patterns and proofs when I can. I also have many gaps in the early bun series which wouldn't cost a mortgage to fill. Overall there's a long way still to go, even with the relatively cheaper coins. Like most of us, it's far more likely that I'll run out of time than of coins I still need to collect!

Rather late to this thread, but it's been a hectic week in the real world. Well done Tom! Hope I can manage 10 years!

I was walking down the road the other day when I saw a woman carrying a large tv set. Hang on, I thought, that's mine…. ...Then I remembered mine was at home ironing my shirts! (Balance redressed again )

There are both obv and rev unifaces. I need one of these too. Join the club!

Mostly, yes. Though owners generally wish to remain private. Ah ok, that makes sens, so it's private owners? I was wondering (hoping) it would have been museums or the like. The British Museum and Royal Mint museum both have an example.

Mostly, yes. Though owners generally wish to remain private.

I decided some years ago to focus almost exclusively on a single denomination, the penny from 1797 - 1970. My impossible objective is to collect an example of each date and variety, together with the patterns and proofs. Although the collection has fixed boundaries, the difficulty and cost of filling the 'gaps' does become ever greater! Like others, I have considered a second collection but, aside from picking up a few bits and pieces, have always returned to the pennies. For me, sticking to a single defined period and denomination fits well with the time available for a hobby and the budget that I can afford.

Like many I disagreed with Benn's views but liked the man and always enjoyed listening to his argument. He also had time for others with whom he vehemenantly disagreed. This rather poignant piece about Thatcher for example: Although I thought she was wrong, she said what she meant and meant what she said. It was not about style with her; it was substance – I don’t think she listened to spin doctors, she just had a clear idea and followed it through. I remember her at the funeral of MP Eric Heffer. I was asked to make a speech and as I was waiting, there was someone behind me coughing. It was Mrs Thatcher, and at the end I thanked her for coming and she burst into tears. She had come out of respect for someone whose opinions she disagreed with.”

Interested at all? http://www.dnw.co.uk/auctions/catalogue/lot.php?auction_id=306&lot_id=271 It's a very nice example, but I'm not willing to pay that price for just a curio.

Few pennies in this sale, unfortunately.

Patience isn't one of my better atributes.....my problem is keeping track of which auctions are coming up. A diary page on the forum would be really useful. Agreed ... and fairs too. As Azda points out, we wouldn't want it visible to all and sundry, so a thread in the member's section would be best. The BNTA events page is a good start.

What did you think about the results for lot 43 - Wyon's Incorrupta pattern? Did that sell? Seemed like the best I've seen, beautiful toning. I love Wyon's patterns. One of these days, maybe I can afford an UNA! I've always had this fantasy about being on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? and getting to the million dollar question .. which asks "What type of item did the Victorian design 'Una and the Lion' appear on?" A. A toilet bowl B. A gold coin C. A tea service D. A London tram I'd look across at Tarrant and I'd say, "You know Chris - I know the answer to this one". Well, I can dream, can't I? I'll be your 'phone a friend', for half the winnings!

The top one may have been awarded to Jimi Hendrix in 1970?

I'll answer my own post then..... .......reason I ask is I bid £2250 on the 1919KN (at the £1-2K estimate I think it was) and thought I was sure to get it. When I last mentioned the LC example on offer at £3250 in another thread, most thought it well over priced......so is this the way prices are going for top grade pennies? Certainly the LC coin looks nice, but it's been sitting around for a while (at least a year) which would leave me slightly suspicious that that it doesn't view quite so well in hand. Surprising they don't put it in one of their own auctions, as it's a fair amount of money to be tied up for so long.

They're in his book, which I have here, but not on his site (as far as I can see). The book's well worth buying though, I agree!

The logical conclusion from that is, if you regard coin collecting as an investment and are particularly concerned to see a "big profit" on your investment, then slab when you are ready to sell and not before. If that time is decades off, and slabbing has gone out of fashion by then, you won't be making any expensive mistakes. That makes complete sense. I have no intention of slabbing my coins for my own benefit, but would certainly consider this if I was planning to dispose of the entire collection (I'm not). Virtually all Heritage's coins are sold in slabs which, from their point of view, passes a good deal of the responsibility for grading, attribution, condition etc. to a third party and must significantly reduce their liability. Moderators: If possible, could we move this thread to the new TPG discussion area?

I completely agree with the above. On the basis that a picture paints a 1000 words, here's an 'open 3' (on the right), compared with a normal 3.