VickySilver

Too bad about the grading, and 831 seems a bit high though 750 perhaps not?

David - should have gotten the Workman 1919H in the sale with Colin Cooke. Nice piece even with the soft obv. (the reverse is VERY sharp for some reason)...

What I have seen is dealers to hold copper twixt thumb and index and not bother with holding by the edge...I have been shocked by cavalier handling seen at shows, etc.

I think another point is that not all slabs, or companies, are created equally. PCGS is not infallible but generally a bit more credence can be given their grading on milled bits of the 19th and 20h C. versus some of the others, and NGC not too bad generally. The othe American companies occ. leave something to be desired. At least to me, I still need to see a few more CGS coins... Trays definately appear more pleasing to site, but I have seen many a coin mistreated by hamfisted dealers and collectors complete with finger prints, drops, saliva, and worse...Also, no cabinet friction over time in a slab.

Urrrggggghhhhh, mintage is only one facet of value determination & does not reflect how many were actually even made in earlier years, let alone survivorship, condition and completely derails demand factors. Please let us keep mintage figures in perspective when it comes to value. 20th C. Heaton mint pennies are limited to three dates as well, and so type/mintmark presentation is another factor.

Well, I think nice red examples are not as common as their collectors and so the price. Now if only the 19KNs could come down to 200...

Uhhh, Peck the '12H fetching "more than it deserves" not quite fair as demand dictates a higher price for it. At least a legitimate date and not a die state "rarity" or one of those da--ed slender 3s...

Were those bags of halfcrowns (or how about shillings)????Thanks for the pictures Hussolo!

Several are still churning, will report on results....

Pretty rough looking R there but not sure if I could call it a "BB"

Have not seen it in currency format, especially a legitimate one....

That is a decent specimen there....still scary to put out that kind of money for an ebay purchase though. Best to whomever purchases it though.

This is a true rarity and no pretender like all those slim dates/odd varieties, die states, etc. Sadly I am not in play on this one, but will see how it goes from the sidelines...

Uhh, that would only happen AFTER he bought it. LOL!

Was that mint altered, and if so, why? I have no interest in them but hopefully will bring a big price to the consignor.

Also, some plaster models from molds taken from real coins were done in Victorian times and more recent...

Another caveat - many coins that are technically uncirculated but with some surface toning(OK, well in some cases more than some toning)have been treated, and not obviously except that the colour looks just a little off from what one would expect of 19th C. bronze. I have seen this many times even with encapsulated coins, esp. American Indian Head and early Lincoln cents. They are not bright pink, but are of a red/orange that just does not "seem" right. I am ashamed to say that some years ago I too bought from our favourite M.P. and have a coin that the colour is not quite right, but better now that some years have gone by. I think CGS or PCGS would slab and that it would past muster by most. I guess that makes it resaleable but does not leave me with a good feeling.

Uhh, those are some low lead-in estimates....Get ready for a blood bath on a few of these! D---, I still need an upgrade or two and will have to wait and see if this penny frenzy, and especially the buns ever dies down...

Well, that might be a bit premature as I must confess to having an Achilles' heel of excitement on occasion, but usually not with coins (let nobody speak to my ex-wife!LOL!).

Which is a plug for the TPGs (or at least the respectable ones), and a whole different angle to this thread. Accumulator got his coin, and hope he is happy with it. I think there are possibly shades of gray to this whole argument, and that it still boils down to the buyer being knowledgeable and to be able to recognise "treated" coins for what they are; unfortunately this does take advantage of the newer collector to some degree. I also think that it is shady for dealers to buy coins, tweak them to deceive and to sell them at unseemly profit. At some point ethics might have a chance to sneak in?

Wow, the W4 shilling cleaned most definately. I have bought a few from MP, but as has been said, Caveat emptor!

Yes, consensus amont "experts" a real task as there isn't any. The London mint 1882 piece discussed on these boards is a perfect example. A lot harder to put out a catalogue that people take as gospel than to criticize and being complete is well-nigh impossible.

Problem is demand...If the 75H is scarcer than the 69, and I think it is, somehow it just does not capture the interest of buyers to the same degree and so the price is probably condemned to a lower level. I remember being the buyer of a 75H about 10 or more years ago and mention made of it in the Coin News because a price of 759 pounds with the "juice" was paid - this however for a superior specimen!

And now at 770. Nice coin but NOT unc.or even AU in my opinion. These buns are getting crazy!Seller quotes price of 1850 pounds in Spink 2010, but in unc.

Eeeeeeeeekkkkkk...................2560 pounds it closed at!!!!!!!!Readers keep alert as to if this coin shows again on the 'bay or another venue. I simply can not believe it. If real, maybe time to sell!