Bronze & Copper Collector

Not sure exactly how it is determined, but it is designation used to describe a level of contrast and/or reflectivity on certain proof strikings..

Hi Richard, Just to keep it clear, mine does have obverse 2, I'm sure Bernie's does too.

Thanks Bernie, Can't beat a high grade example for a strong opinion. Certainly now looks more like an 8/8 as I originally suspected and definitely NOT the variety as imaged by Gouby, nor is it properly attributed in the LCA auction. Thanks everyone, just needed a little sanity check.

Here is the full reverse..

Here is a close-up of the 8 in my example...

More to the issue is whether it matches Gouby's image. Has LCA identified it correctly, or is it something not yet recognized. I'm not so much interested yet in what the overdate actually is, but rather is it properly attributed as the Gouby variety that LCA claims it to be.

Lot 558 June LCA auction... description: Penny 1861 8 over wiry 6, Gouby AA dies D+d, of the same style as the overdate pictures in Gouby page 41, Fair, Gouby states only one example known, this clearly a second example, Ex-Baldwins Argentum sale 2/11/2012 Lot 558 I would like to have your opinions as to whether the coin matches Gouby's image I have an example EXACTLY as imaged by LCA but have never really felt that it matched Gouby's image, and have never been able to pinpoint it other than possibly an 8/8. Your opinions please. I will try to get images of mine posted if I can get to them somehow. Thanks

PR (PROOF) vs MS (MINT STATE) & also SP (SPECIMEN) is only a designation of the TYPE of strike. The NUMBER following is the NUMERICAL designation of the GRADE assigned to the coin. Each portion (MS/SP/PR) & (01-70) speaks to a different aspect of the coin itself. The first portion, (MS/SP/PR), tells the viewer what TYPE of controls or constraints under which the coin was struck. That is to say, what TYPE of strike it is. The second portion, the number (01-70), is merely a numerical designation of an assignment or assessment of the coins condition, in other words, how much wear it has experienced. This numerical designation has a specific correlation to specific word grades. Hence, taken together, you can know the TYPE of strike AND the CONDITION of the coin from those 4 characters. I am using the Sheldon 01-70 system as my example. For CGS/LCGS just substitute 01-100 for 01-70. I hope I didn't confuse the issue even more..... Just 2 independent aspects of the entire designation.

Maybe that should be this threads SWAN song....

I wouldn't want to RAIL around like an old COOT and hear everyone GROUSE. We may not be SWIFT nor are we CUCKOO although some of us may be GULLable. We do have a STORK, not sure if anyone is a LOON, although I am sure none of us is a BUSTARD. And please, no WRENching of hands nor FOWL language..

Can you imagine if this were a Condor token? Or does that take Ostrich of the imagination??? Possibly we are all Raven mad... or just flying high like a Kite.....

Owling with laughter over what a Lark this has become... Some members have become Pigeons for others... others will have to Duck before they get Goosed.... Cardinal rule, be ready for the puns....

I was referring to the 1967 penny Cuds..

Ebay would consider that as "keyword spamming"

Just a normal F-289...

I have an example just like yours.. It's a die crack..

I would lean towards an obverse 3... Buyer was probably looking for an F-21...

I have 3, I would be interested in purchasing all from you if you want to part with them... Not too often you can get multiple identical errors. ...

I have 3 of them, identical 1967s. Not too rare, but interesting to have multiple identical errors... Let me know if you're interested in selling it..

Well explained... I have the Freeman plate coin f-144 purchased from the man himself...

Born in 1952 myself.... I misplaced my complete date BU roll set of that year.....

Now that is an F-25.....

Ditto....

Didn't see this response when I made prior post.... Question answered.....

Thank you Bernie, you beat me to it.... It's a poor picture but my first thought was that it had some obverse 5 diagnostics.... As Bernie asked, does it have LCWYON under Victoria's bust?? A close-up of that area maybe ???