Bronze & Copper Collector

I'm not sure if this has been posted, I couldn't find anything... I just found my 3rd 1909 DOT Penny, however the dot is in a different location.... Slightly lower in the same basic area.... Has anyone made note of this before???? Thanks, Gary Images as follows: 1909 DOT Specimen 1 1909 DOT Specimen 2 1909 DOT Specimen 3 Image 1 1909 DOT Specimen 3 Image 2

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I seem to remember reading somewhere that coins were sometimes placed between pieces of leather and pressure applied either by repetitive hammer strokes, steady pressure, etc.... it would both enlarge and flatten them a bit ..... I'm not sure whether this could also account for the apparent doubling. I do seem to remember something about this procedure inducing a sort of ghost doubling on one side of the coin..... Just throwing this into the mix from memory... I can't locate any documentation on this process; just what I think I remember a dealer explaining to me 35+ years ago when showing me a similar coin.... I may be off in another universe with this, but maybe it will jog someone else's memory....

Well said....

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The work of a true artist...... Thanks for sharing.....

I would concur with this assessment.....

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A sudden burst of adrenaline I suppose...

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Thank You...

Would have liked to have seen the entire coin

Difficult to say..... I would be tempted to say no, however there is a hint of a dot in the image. Whether that is a trick of lighting, a faint actual dot, or something else I can't say for sure... A substantial risk for the price paid, unless the buyer intends returning it if he/she is disappointed...

From Wikipedia: Morgan was scheduled to travel on the ill fated maiden voyage of the RMS Titanic, but canceled at the last minute, choosing to remain at a resort in Aix-les-Bains, France.[46] The White Star Line, which operated Titanic, was part of Morgan's International Mercantile Marine Company, and Morgan was to have his own private suite and promenade deck on the ship. In response to the sinking of Titanic, Morgan purportedly said, "Monetary losses amount to nothing in life. It is the loss of life that counts. It is that frightful death."[47] Morgan died while traveling abroad on March 31, 1913, just shy of his 76th birthday. He died in his sleep at the Grand Hotel in Rome, Italy. Flags on Wall Street flew at half-staff, and in an honor usually reserved for heads of state, the stock market closed for two hours when his body passed through New York City.[54] His remains were interred in the Cedar Hill Cemetery in his birthplace of Hartford, Connecticut. His son, John Pierpont "Jack" Morgan, Jr., inherited the banking business.[55] He bequeathed his mansion and large book collections to the Morgan Library & Museum in New York.

IMHO, Not a mint produced serif... Just metal pushed upward thar happens to resemble a serif, albeit not resembling the other serifs...

Once a proof, always a proof.. It may not be mint state anymore, but even if it worn down to a blank disk, it would still be a proof... Proof is not a condition, it is a type of strike.. That is to say; there are proof strikes, specimen strikes, circulation strikes, etc.... What a proof strike would be, if it had seen circulation and was worn or damaged, or was just dropped or mishandled and damaged, is an Impaired Proof....

IMHO, PMD the I is equally damaged to the same level.....

Firstly, bear with me, as I'm working with cell phone images.. Secondly, I know absolutely nothing of the coin, the tpg, nor its history... That being said, IMHO, I would guess the coin was possibly submitted for conservation. In comparing the 2 slabbed images with the pre-submittal age of the coin, I believe that I can see traces of the damage under the discoloration. As far as I can see, the marks on the right side of the coin in line with the second "I" of BRITANNIAR, definitely existed prior to submittal... Insofar as the left side, just to the right of the space between Victoria & Dei, I believe that I can see the 3 small gouges in the pre-submittal image. Regarding the 3 scratches just to the right of the gouges, I believe them to be just barely discernable under the discoloration. Again, this is just my opinion, without coin in hand, and with absolutely no knowledge of the coins history. No intent to malign the coin, the poster, nor the tpg is intended...

Possibly the rims got it rejected.... They look a bit rough in the images.... That being said, I wouldn't have a major problem having the coin in my collection...

IMHO, PMD

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