Rob

Probably like that because they are maundy and therefore rarely used for payment, even though legal tender at the time. If that 1840 was a regular groat, you would feel far more comfortable with it.

If it is as you say, the obvious candidate would be Gilpatrick at Pembroke, the mint being written, PAN or PAIN. Have you tried searching the EMC database at the Fitzwilliam? If it was found by a detectorist it should be recorded with the PAS and the details will be uploaded to the corpus. An auction would not necessarily be recorded there unless found under the treasure rules. Where did you get it?

You can also get this year's Standard Catalogue of British Coins, otherwise known as Coins of England (COE) 2026, the title now owned by Sovereign Rarities, but before that Spink and before that Seaby's to avoid confusion down the line. All or any could could be used depending on the age of the person writing. It comes out every year in 2 parts and you need the decimal section (the cheaper one) which is £25(?) this year. The bigger volume covers British Celtic coins through to 1970 when we changed from imperial to metric money on 15th February 1971 (the other D-Day). Less informative volumes and therefore cheaper year books can be bought from Chris (Collectors Coins) here, or Token Publishing (Coin Yearbook), or Coin Market Values. None agree on prices, but given no two coins are the same, it is no surprise,

Again, I can only recommend Galata's excellent tome on the pennies of the Edwards. Real research has been done there. All Paul and Bente's writing is of the highest quality by a pair who know their stuff, and as references will struggle to be equalled. Go for it. Splash the cash. You won't regret it. Incidentally, I also have a set of North, vols. 1 & 2, both new. £40 per volume or £70 the pair pus postage. PM me if interested. Thanks.

If that is mm spacing then a farthing. Makes sense given the weights. Old sterling pennies were 1.4g down to 1g ish, so 1/4g =1/4 penny. Do you have any reference books? Just wondering because by Eliz.1 the penny was about 0.5g, but that had declined over a long period. Coin values are determined by the diameter of the inner circle because the outer one is too susceptible to spreading when struck. Rules for the future: 1. Get a Withers small change book. 2. Get a Withers small change book. 3. Get a Withers small change book. 4. Get a Withers small change book. 5. Get a Withers small change book. The surplus suggestions are to cover the 4 periods contained within the volume set, and allow me to book some copy and paste replies without having to make any other contributions. They cover Ed1 - Ed.2; Ed.3-R1; Henry 4-6;Ed.4 - Henry 7 and Henry 8-Commonwealth. You don't have to buy every one at the same time unless they are offering a discount to clear some stock. It is the best reference available and is regularly updated. Worse advise (sic) is available on ebay from some aspiring millionaire who found this in granny's change the other day, conveniently overlooking the moneyer Grunal. Hint. This is Dave Greenhalgh's name for coins he has made, (legitimately for the purpose of demonstrating hammered minting techniques).

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I often scan my pictures in at 350 and the quality is adequate for a 500k maximum size. Even when I have a 1200dpi scan, the image quality is only an issue if you want to keep the original at that level. By the time you have cropped it to the required size, the image often seems to have reduced to a smaller footprint than originally anticipated.

Copy the pictures and post the reduced size image, or alternatively stick them in a zip file. Don't know how to do the latter, but it might help. Feels strange that someone with a 'Help for the digitally challenged thread' should be giving advice.

Yes. It looks like a cud, where a piece of metal has become trapped between the dies when struck, hence the excess metal. It could have been a flaw flaw which was the source of the metal or something external, but it ain't right. I suggested the latter because of the mess underneath the top of the F too. 3-D pictures required to be certain.

I think we should all be able to make our own and spend them in the shops with our names on, as with tokens in the past few hundred years. Personally I think the average person on the street has more credibility for financial responsibility than any politicians, who are trying to steer a sinking ship to a relatively safe grounding point. The average person has a moral compass and believes in paying his dues. One day the world will wake up to the fact that we are all living beyond our means, being unwilling to reconcile the cost of luxury with the actual cost. I include luxuries in the areas of general public services that are provided whether you use them or not. For a sustainable existence you have to make it just as easy to produce offspring as it is to get rid of the old. Nature, left to it own devices will always find a balance between supply and demand, but that is essentially based on the food supply. We don't have the luxury of natural balance, being obsessed with the concept of eternal life and have worked continuously since our brains developed to further our success. If we run short of food, we make a conscious decision to bugger someone/something else in life. We shouldn't have that right, or at least provide a quid pro quo to our ability to determine every possible outcome.

J G Scott wrote a book in 1975 about c/mks on Copper and bronze coins which I retained when I acquired DRJ's collection. I will see if I can find it tomorrow night and post what is useful.

I think it has been like that since the software was upgraded as I found I also had a trillion unread messages. CP should be able to confirm.

The one consideration you have missed is the possibility that the overdate (or letter) was not punched deep enough into the die to pass the lowest point of the previous digit. Using the same reasoning, consider the 1817 GEOE/R shilling. I refuse to believe the engraver thought 'Here'a correct legend, I'll just create an error by 'correcting' the R with an E so that some nerds 200 years from now find something to get excited about'. Clearly the E would have been put in first, but the correction wasn't sunk deep enough. Easy to do if you are looking at the lowest point in the field as a reference point rather than the bottom of a very small deep pit.

Have a word with Dave Symonds. He used to be looking after the coins in the Museum before they decided they didn't need him any more. He might be able to help with a contact.

Colours seen aren't very helpful. Is it a bronze currency piece or a cupro-nickel proof? I assume the former, but the colours don't tell me. If the former, then it has seen so much circulation that cleaning wouldn't change its value by much. They are quite common in mint state.