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In my humble opinion, varieties are created by the design process, i.e. the decision to strike a coin from a selected pair of obverse and reverse designs. Any anomalies created by the minting (or striking) process are exactly that - anomalies, collectibility of which is in the eye of the beholder. The confusion was probably started by Freeman's decision to grant a variety number to the 1897 Dot penny. As I say, just my opinion. And the debate will probably go on forever. On my websites, I refer to variations to a particular "variety", such as variation in the date spacing, as a "sub-variety" whereas Gouby assigns specific identifiers. You pays your money......................
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Experiment in cleaning and retoning a copper with verdigris.
Paddy replied to Paddy's topic in Free for all
After another couple of months, it now looks like this. This photo taken with the new camera I have just picked up - I have not quite got the hang of the focus and exposure yet - sorry! The "copper disease" is much less evident in the hand and the coin will never be perfect again, but I think better than it was. -
Experiment in cleaning and retoning a copper with verdigris.
Paddy replied to Paddy's topic in Free for all
I then set about an attempt to retone the coin. A thin coating in vegetable oil and then left on the window ledge in the sun. After a couple of months, it looked like this: -
Experiment in cleaning and retoning a copper with verdigris.
Paddy replied to Paddy's topic in Free for all
Here is the coin after cleaning. I started with the Sodium sequicarbonate, both hot and quick and slow and cold, which removed most of the patina but not the verdigris. I resorted to a short dip in diluted Ammonia, which got rid of the verdigris and most of the residual patina. The remaining red staining would not shift - is this "Copper disease"? -
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I have been experimenting with trying to recover a 1739 Half penny since December. I am going to post 4 pictures to show how things went. Firstly, this is the start point after I had picked the coin up and given it a quick Acetone wash, only to discover the verdigris hidden under old polish/varnish or whatever.
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Photography advice please
Paddy replied to Paddy's topic in Nothing whatsoever to do with coins area!
OK - I have taken both routes! The phone holder is on it's way with Amazon, so I will report on that later. In the meantime I have picked up a refurbished Pentax K20, which is similar to my old Kr. I am still learning to drive it - I need to work on the focus and I haven't figured out how to control the exposure time yet. I am about to post some pics in the Free for All section, so you can see there... - Today
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Coincidentally I checked my very small pile of 1961 half crowns the other week, prompted by seeing the missing EF abnormality listed on Michael Gouby's site. And I find that I have one, now properly installed in my collection as a coin of interest. Generally my wife's attitude to my hobbies is one of resigned acceptance at best, but she "gets" my coin collecting. I find people are genuinely interested when I show them examples of variations and abnormalities and talk about the stories behind them. The unanswered questions help to add to the intrigue.
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What is, and is not, a variety is something of a 'grey area'. Decades ago, 1961 halfcrowns without the engraver initials EF on the reverse were considered to be a variety. However as soon as it became clear that it was the result of a filled die, it disappeared from the list of varieties overnight. Only very rarely are such things classed as varieties, the exceptions being things like the 1946 ONE' penny. They are accidents of the minting process rather than design changes and therefore only collected by a small group of people.
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Photography advice please
Peckris 2 replied to Paddy's topic in Nothing whatsoever to do with coins area!
I have an iPhone 15 Pro Max and it's now my main camera. -
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Peckris 2 replied to blakeyboy's topic in Nothing whatsoever to do with coins area!
Were they the band that had a big hit with Carabao D'Amour? -
Thank you, I re-measured, 2.2cm.
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Im not sure I am replying properly- using quote? But yes, good call. I assumed it was a spot of corrosion or from an acid test. It feels smooth. Ill have a better look tomorrw with more light. I have tried wwd40. But the camera is intriguing. My son also has an old victorian house with some suspicious blocked up bits and holes. I watched the people who installed the stove use one on the chimney breast, which was pretty scary! I may get one. We all fantasise about hidden treasure in these houses.
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no luck yet.
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Stuff to make us Laugh vers.2.0
blakeyboy replied to blakeyboy's topic in Nothing whatsoever to do with coins area!
I've just formed an end-of-season football harmony group, called Manhattan Transfer Window. You're welcome. -
Photography advice please
Paddy replied to Paddy's topic in Nothing whatsoever to do with coins area!
Thanks both, that is helpful. I will report back... P -
Photography advice please
Sword replied to Paddy's topic in Nothing whatsoever to do with coins area!
Why don't you do that and find out as it is a cheap option? The cameras of the new phones are constantly getting better and you could very well be happy with the results. -
Photography advice please
Nonmortuus replied to Paddy's topic in Nothing whatsoever to do with coins area!
Maybe try one of the companies online that offer refurbished with a 12 month warranty? Like: https://www.mpb.com/en-uk/category/used-cameras/dslr-cameras/pentax-dslr-cameras -
I'm quite amused by this. It's in a box that contains a CoA and says 'The Original Silver Shilling' when it's very clearly a counterfeit (or modern copy)! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/188613279900?_skw=hammered+charles+i&itmmeta=01KX0X2FT35JC9XM1J2185C2Q4&hash=item2bea3a409c:g:jSIAAeSwe5lp9hpi&itmprp=enc%3AAQALAAAA8GfYFPkwiKCW4ZNSs2u11xAuOGJ%2Fw4o%2F1SMEQaSKweB4QGvCG0r3QqsP5RQZzXqxv8MDel%2Bao6MS80675DUV%2Bzk88i7SN5rpT7LwG%2F899HMeRLXcENdyqy9pVtQOdhB2CNCw57VeUXzdT8FDauCRANABoDrKvkbWbuJHWFYtuN0FhxBQtTai%2FyGkw1fX3JCu%2FnnjyA0U18l6A1bra6JRKC3mnGdSXQo0QazISkeFDCaO%2BB5WmFNI95HV9OT66lbJD5yBML2u2pCQBdKRjRLE7HsdgHJvDKpZlbp7SZjtAQtj2mtiMsVL2lk6ZWjlLvt1DA%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR8D9iZ3oZw
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2cm will be a 6d. Shillings are about 25mm, plus the bust is ok for a 6d but not a 1/-. The top curls are sort of ok for the 3rd bust shilling, but still a bit too pronounced. 4th bust curls are completely different. Disregards the Edinburgh bust coins, as they are bit more ad hoc in design and clearly identifiable aside from the E or E*
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I agree, I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole, but a number of bidders obviously disagree. I wouldn't even know where to start getting one of those things authenticated, apart from checking the size and weight. If those are OK then I'd be stumped.
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What's the little hole at 7 o’clock on reverse" side? It looks like a screw or something under magnification. If the oil hasn't worked maybe try WD-40, although it's difficult to know what is stuck if you don't know how it should open. Another thought. Does that slot open up to the inside? If it does a small endoscope fibre-optic camera could give you a look around the inside. A 5.5mm one on eBay is less than £10. I once borrowed one to see why a previous owner of my son's Victorian house had crudely blocked up an alcove next to a chimney breast. I half expected to find a cupboard full of junk, but there was nothing there apart from some cobwebs, some dust and some very crappy-looking exposed brickwork that was best left alone.
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I'm not sure I understand. Is anyone suggesting that features like those on the 1915 pennies pictured above were not created during the minting process? If we do call such things varieties (not an issue I was attempting to address) how does that give the green light to the sort of nefarious activity you are describing?
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I think a snuff box is unlikely. A screw fit is too likely to clog up and too fiddly to open for a regular snuff taker. A tape measure is a good call, in which case it may be very difficult to take apart.
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I’d be very dubious. This is a coin that you should only buy with a good provenance or through a professional dealer or auction house authenticity guaranteed. There are many more fakes than genuine out there I suspect. Jerry