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I stand corrected, but there was a big change in the 1880s so in that sense my point stands. but

Your coin is not the "normal pairing" apparently (from those pictures), but shares the same pairing as the I over T - which suggests that more than one die was used for that pairing.

Crucifixions weren't done on a cross but on something that resembled a capital T !

It was often said if you took all the pieces of the true cross from around the med and you could build a boat out of them

Dead right Paddy. Anything for a quick buck.

Very interesting items! Not something I would collect, but definitely intriguing. I suspect when they were made unscrupulous dealers were rooking credulous pilgrims. Nothing has really changed!

I have recently acquired x3 "True Cross" Terracotta Pilgrim Tokens. They are reported to have been commissioned by Emperor Heraclius to commemorate the recovery of the True Cross from the Persians in C630 AD. It has been reported that a small piece of the True Cross was cut off and burnt, and the ash mixed with the Clay. Although this could be a good selling pitch at the time?? The two figures beneath the Cross are supposed to be Constantine and his Mother Helena. Other reports state they are Peter & Paul? The backs are plain. One is 18mm Dia. The other two are 15mm. The two smaller pieces both have an X over both arms of the Cross. All in VGC

Welcome to the forum Graham, it's a nice looking coin.

It's a halfcrown, not a florin. Florins weigh just over 11g, not 14.

Thank you paddy. I have seen similar ones from the Kushan Empire, (Tetradrachm) but not exactly like this one?? Still a mystery then.

1887 jubilee florin i just found an 1887 florin which I was going to put on eBay but I can’t find another one anywhere with the reverse side the same. It’s got a St George and the dragon between the date numerals and has a lot of extra design compared to others . Here are some images .. I can’t find any images or info online that describes this particular type. maybe you know about this ? I’ve attached some images

Not sure, but I don't think Indian. The writing appears to be using Roman letters but the style is crude for Roman Imperial. Maybe Roman provincial?

Can anyone help me ID this coin I have had for years please? Nearest I can get is Indian. 27mm Dia. 12.9g. Many thanks.

Would you agree in the attached image there is no crossbar? The question implies I dont think there is however I was asking simply for other's thoughts. The reason the image was cropped and rotated was to simplyfy the presentation of the letter and into correct orientation.

Yes there is a documented 1860 2+D variety BP1860JB V over inverted A.

Was not my intention to mislead, and for that I'm sorry. The coin is 1860 2+D.

I don't collect bronze, but I think in general, the rule is that the coin is not an error or variety unless there is convincing evidence supporting the claim. Otherwise, the number of imaginary errors / varieties would be huge. So if the letter is supposed to be a V, then it is just a V. The illusion of a crossbar (which is faint and unconvincing) can be caused by say a die crack for instance. If the letter is supposed to be an A, then it is just an A and the faint cross bar could be due to a partial die fill for instance. However, if the variety is documented for that specific coin type, then it is worth investigating more closely. But convincing evidence is still needed. It's like asking a doctor if a new rash is cancerous. They would say don't be silly as it can be caused by a variety of common things. But if someone has already been diagnosed with cancer and gets a bad rash, then the doctor would work on the assumption that it is related to the cancer if a rash is a possible symptom.

Hmm, yes the presentation of the photo was somewhat misleading. If it’s a V, then the default position is that it remains a V despite the photographic ambiguity. I did however examine the possibly unique 1860 ‘V over inverted A’ when it came up for sale a few years ago and thought it looked good under the loupe. So maybe worth a closer look under a microscope if it’s an 1860, probably not if later. Jerry

Sorry i thought from your original post you were looking at a picture and were asking the question as you DIDNT have the coin in hand. "Would you agree that the attached image has no crossbar" Yes i dont think a V has a crossbar 👍 Some people on the forum know why i look for coins everyday and flip for a profit, but dont feel as if i need to explain myself.

100% I just research what I come across and not search for anything in particular. Ofcourse il look for the recorded types, I will also look into anomalies. The coin from this post it was purchased directly, given how cheap it was, worth a look in hand. I know some of you flip coins for profit, I dont and the search, research, success and failures are all part of the fun. Its's not work in the sense of working for money, so as long as I'm enjoying the hobby not alot else matters.

I think you’re better off either buying them or don’t, having the coin in hand rather than asking questions from a photograph. I am sure everyone on the forum who collects copper/bronze from a picture has thought the coin was something it wasn’t. Hope that makes sense, people have looked at bronze pennies for years and although hundreds not recorded it’s because the tiny differences are not really relevant. Cgs when they were slabbing pennies had over 80 just for 1860 and if you want to take it so far then my own opinion is your doing a lot of work finding and buying pennies that nobody else would be interested in. Maybe study the Gouby book as there are plenty in there recorded that you can look for and recorded being more than one of each rather than something struck in error like a random flaw, dot or die crack or tiny difference in date width. As I mentioned you can take it as far as you want, just ones like 1902 pennies there are over 20 and yet most you can’t see with the naked eye 😃

Here is my coin versus a normal example of the same pairing, we see the exact same configuration. How can that be? Is that not a huge coincidence The 1860 (Gouby G+d; Freeman 4+D) – I over T in BRITT shares the exact same configuration.

I made an interesting observation that would appear to support the coin in question could be I/T based on die characteristics observed on the 1860 (Gouby G+d; Freeman 4+D) – I over T in BRITT compared to a standard 4+D coin And the coin in question versus other normal exmaples of the same pairing. The 1860 (Gouby G+d; Freeman 4+D) – I over T in BRITT type shows the First T of BRITT Tilted and the I/T is lower than the first T in BRITT. Please see the attached image to better understand my poor effort in explaining this. This is exactly the same for the coin I have its not a 1860, but after studying all the other die pairings of the coin in question I have found the same configuration. The coin from this post in question shows the tilted T lower I the same as The 1860 (Gouby G+d; Freeman 4+D) – I over T in BRITT. And the rest of the same pairing standard coins don't show the tilted T in Britt or the I of Britt being shorter.

Hmmm, ok…I’m starting to feel I must be out of touch, that all 3 of the posted coins are marked-up at double their value, yet they wouldn’t be prepared to accept market price on stock that has sat around for a while? Anyway, the post was simply an aside, light coining banter, nothing more. When that Edward I class 1c penny has sold, they’re more than welcome to sell my two! Unfortunately, I’ve already parted with my 1700 shilling for £480, so I might have to sing for the remaining £500 😬

@Coinery At first blush, it may appear unrealistic. However, it really depends on how you go about collecting, what you collect or even might consider collecting. Most collectors can and should develop a numismatic point of reference based on experiences… which include the coins seen, the state of preservation, and how often they are offered for sale in the condition desired. Frankly, the best coins I own are the ones I really was not actively seeking at the time I decided to buy them. This really turns into recognizing opportunities but not everyone wants to buy a straw hat in January.