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True butt he UK did it 44 years earlier if you consider the 1920 debasement and 18 years from the finale debasement of British coins in 1946 compared with the US.. Over that time fiat currencies, currencies based on paper promises have lost value. This has been true since Rome, through Tudor times to the present day when currencies are debased. Little by little like the frog in heating water your money becomes less and less with income never seeming to catch up. Some suggest crypto as an answer but this is just another scam like the banks who could never honor a run on their commitments other than printing more promises or numbers in a computer with crypto. Where no body knows where the money invested is. With crypto, if someone switched off the computers tomorrow where would your money be? I wouldn't hold your breath. Banks have similar issues but do receive some limited backing from governments

Someone actually bought this Temu Gothic Crown... from Hong Kong! https://www.ebay.com/itm/157871585964?_skw=gothic+crown+coin&itmmeta=01KRQ7VFAEVC91F9FWVYNBQEYS&hash=item24c1e13aac:g:0pEAAeSwVQJopiyR&itmprp=enc%3AAQALAAAA8GfYFPkwiKCW4ZNSs2u11xCiHPT1dIqsSUVD65WmtEkl1%2Bnl70mlRW1AmIqpbzP%2B%2BWh7qLJpsJ4EY379bCQl6EXDxG%2FtGJmxbqUrKDqbOOJteyQyptnRKYk4C1PQHMCa%2B5GL%2FVGwQyPlqMTPyzWokUHuJ4YZ0JmVYGzCHdYqG6NH2QmuyL%2FRAbCwCOIV2L0CQEJnpBSoduOCKBb3dfGEtndLTQ9OFm1MzvZjZ2LDpLas4tilOkJu%2BG5IpxJ5oqi%2BoOb0JqgBZm3cBN9bdLZDrVlOG6%2BN2npKT5vzc4jzhLP71YUsYY6%2BKYMFiLWr8tvvEQ%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR7D17efFZw

This was a recent pickup in a USA auction, I like the condition of the piece, it being much better than most farthings of that era - but I enjoy the additional cuds on Charles II's nose and Britannia's right arm from the die breaking down. Also it appears as though the numeral 1 in 1675 was repunched - almost appears to have been repunched over a numeral 5!

I like this one 😂🤣

Spoilt for choice. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/358558652610?_trkparms=itmf%3D1%26aid%3D1110006%26rkt%3D4%26asc%3D306944,304607,306633%26mech%3D1%26algv%3DSimVIDwebV4WithCtxRankerV1UnifiedFeaturesWithAuctionUnificationKatRecoVdb%26pmt%3D1%26amclksrc%3DITM%26sd%3D358558834029%26sid%3DAQALAAAAEN6CGcKcGr%2Bqu4P3Uq3iBHw%3D%26itm%3D358558652610%26noa%3D0%26plcampt%3D0%3A163059596018%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26rk%3D4%26pid%3D101875%26b%3D1%26mehot%3Dnone%26lsid%3D3%26meid%3D1760955cf15d445c9c20c591a0be71d0%26pg%3D2332490&_trksid=p2332490.c101875.m1851&itmprp=cksum%3A3585586526101760955cf15d445c9c20c591a0be71d0|enc%3AAQALAAABMOK0a5G8ov2YyaAJ0ZTwdm8qhHRmtmL3Ku%2BxbfGxScQhvr4GTifaHcB9%2BZJUPE4lB1tXFOGNSbYdMH6tq1vX%2BCwsl8S83u%2BRDMmfGKOxpztv%2FAl2bz3NwGnkcTgHyYDl4ECNo8f9%2BSInRQ64783Tso1%2FoIAFbnekL5sMdhMZ1%2Fb%2Fm1n6KvEURSYm1HREW5FdcLcxnSCm%2FrgjUWkzwi3aS7uWgbkqeZZOzj4kfyqMSDCSRJ%2F5g1kb3hfr5SCONFuESEfB2X0hmiktZoohgTRER7eLcaopQJQEV1BdPf64gSqR2MP8Z1Bl4SjLS1OdYnxHAkzB23HxdCZK2VPLdmEfmVJcZ0tgEQ5nsugwrL6WcPyTSbkQqiivAJVWePHs9WwnV1rDBWvEW8xTZjgxOeY7sRU%3D|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2332490&itmmeta=01KRPE0WGESXNN8DY8W12WRTB1

Spoilt for choice.... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/358558652610?_trkparms=itmf%3D1%26aid%3D1110006%26rkt%3D4%26asc%3D306944,304607,306633%26mech%3D1%26algv%3DSimVIDwebV4WithCtxRankerV1UnifiedFeaturesWithAuctionUnificationKatRecoVdb%26pmt%3D1%26amclksrc%3DITM%26sd%3D358558834029%26sid%3DAQALAAAAEN6CGcKcGr%2Bqu4P3Uq3iBHw%3D%26itm%3D358558652610%26noa%3D0%26plcampt%3D0%3A163059596018%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26rk%3D4%26pid%3D101875%26b%3D1%26mehot%3Dnone%26lsid%3D3%26meid%3D1760955cf15d445c9c20c591a0be71d0%26pg%3D2332490&_trksid=p2332490.c101875.m1851&itmprp=cksum%3A3585586526101760955cf15d445c9c20c591a0be71d0|enc%3AAQALAAABMOK0a5G8ov2YyaAJ0ZTwdm8qhHRmtmL3Ku%2BxbfGxScQhvr4GTifaHcB9%2BZJUPE4lB1tXFOGNSbYdMH6tq1vX%2BCwsl8S83u%2BRDMmfGKOxpztv%2FAl2bz3NwGnkcTgHyYDl4ECNo8f9%2BSInRQ64783Tso1%2FoIAFbnekL5sMdhMZ1%2Fb%2Fm1n6KvEURSYm1HREW5FdcLcxnSCm%2FrgjUWkzwi3aS7uWgbkqeZZOzj4kfyqMSDCSRJ%2F5g1kb3hfr5SCONFuESEfB2X0hmiktZoohgTRER7eLcaopQJQEV1BdPf64gSqR2MP8Z1Bl4SjLS1OdYnxHAkzB23HxdCZK2VPLdmEfmVJcZ0tgEQ5nsugwrL6WcPyTSbkQqiivAJVWePHs9WwnV1rDBWvEW8xTZjgxOeY7sRU%3D|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2332490&itmmeta=01KRPE0WGESXNN8DY8W12WRTB1

And yet another (this person needs the appropriate treatment) https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/358558652610?itmmeta=01KRNYZFVFSVZCD2C7D3B07R5C&hash=item537bc2d8c2:g:1d0AAeSwnxZqBwHF&itmprp=enc%3AAQALAAAA4GfYFPkwiKCW4ZNSs2u11xBitEe9RDa3sc7hUT9hX%2FCOfxQKyq%2Ffk9mvXOGbDczpUO9joLFvUS2WadpYmPIOnOAlf0YszrS2sdD8A1SJuELkDUqma1VpZnEy5q4ZXojfFHwyhdE%2BTCVfVAmS%2BC97DrbSX40H4RetRi4Gu7VpPOYPQ8N2Oho%2FSa9VEl8vLNcwB7paH1zB721WMloM8o9WVt59UTO1G1T%2BdwM36QfBsO4lddL5fyB5pBoVMFq2o7jay63EgK9cPpx%2FOTWHxhuG%2FVF5GY2mna9%2BULIMUbH1ZCiv|tkp%3ABk9SR4L-_b7FZw

And this one: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/358558834029?itmmeta=01KRNYZFVF1T51NR91QWTC8AGP&hash=item537bc59d6d:g:ODQAAeSwl5xqBxWl&itmprp=enc%3AAQALAAAA4GfYFPkwiKCW4ZNSs2u11xBiu%2Bqm7HPctK6xcuhMAuQ1%2F7PFnhVwrJxQ7OcTIZRagdeVG9ww0A6GsDOGBC2h7lJvdFJVE2TS%2FyMY7Yet0qfGP2u0JoUbd3xcdheFLeB1qCEB%2B1ISyVRh34npbiyLSU3t7gMBmCXPKerHk4Y6rOAMwVNPo2JEbH7AK3Kr1LFB%2BWxOwHo9yt1HicrMG%2BLrCdtWPr5cpmaWrhRUIRCWI45LUoOmB0TJjitmwsyweas5cQUuhZpANl5TMG01bWRPZ0zmZ1GNyD0fNvtQR%2Fkmg%2BXY|tkp%3ABk9SR4D-_b7FZw

Not to mention this one: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/358558859859?itmmeta=01KRNYZFVFPYE66QWCFA3ZW1SK&hash=item537bc60253:g:eIcAAeSwauxqBxh7&itmprp=enc%3AAQALAAAAwGfYFPkwiKCW4ZNSs2u11xBshv%2FwyMxPRzdtOQFFdHImpHNiw9nBoaJY5mqr1DLfZdLQiTwfamIdaGUh%2B07oaaK2QmVXao4gjOQZMKujz3BP82038HRb%2BAjM1k7P%2B1p6Xlr2eOBfALDeUOJV25k%2Bhoe%2FsxtWybR2h5vKskY6shFfvXUWljt27wEet9ziw00PXOzIR1Co3oVYiVm5ydfa2RcGZjw3GNxK%2FzSHm73GUND6FRorxTW94rXw2sMVN4X1UQ%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR4D-_b7FZw

Same person trying it on with this one too: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/358558890892?itmmeta=01KRNYZFVEXDJJJAVW06CPZJVV&hash=item537bc67b8c:g:~xkAAeSwWz1qBxvu&itmprp=enc%3AAQALAAAAwGfYFPkwiKCW4ZNSs2u11xCC3fibdv6x%2FwSB3pJNwWmYkR4i9QVFdzzfAUIFEMnq8MGza0ozA%2FpPjvcBXVey%2B6iiUuDXGxFFCM1vF4npG5fdd8kPkCejVF6k7AriisAlkVB%2B6x3i7nBZMZhLMogjjDkV4fd0n2ZedXZiZl%2FT2LZ0AFMTMJiKnsUZcOwjcNDPm3b4jMdQTVNlbDyQSeu3It%2BC3p5UIjevV%2BgTFLraaxxMva7xtS42Rv7TVG%2Frd322xQ%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR4D-_b7FZw

Today whilst re sifting through them destine to be sold I had a moment of "Hold On!" ( I tend to do this, a lot, I just feel that I can quite easily miss something important😕) However this one caught my eye and so I washed the crud off, the Florin now reveals a ledge on the reverse, wow! now I do like a fault. a die press error? well it made my day, Have a great Weekend ☺️

There is a fraudulent offering of a "B over R" 1862 penny at the moment. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/358547749431?itmmeta=01KRG4XN5S967RPZAG8EF2K7GD&hash=item537b1c7a37:g:mUMAAeSwCctqAxfH&itmprp=enc%3AAQALAAAA4GfYFPkwiKCW4ZNSs2u11xCEj7UbS%2FkFL8LDJtuLTQHr3hpjLEvYYVZ4LPosIgK58gPQm0wFsm5SIH4%2FYc%2Fm3KzMzAr%2BCqamt8G32zS5M6CEK%2FITx7LQOAkoMlg49ysMbtic31fuTUU%2BZulzkJsDbnyK%2BYPq%2BNazlScLTY8625dwwpf2AacCsPg25EqEbMCjXFUZihzMgOFXwYHkKojAojng%2B9ty8LH2z4CsCHk0JdpcWeD%2BNmmp%2FxpoTonNA0Xaex8A4%2FLk7w5X46fuXN7YHCQVc3GMrJgQ3X3YPTGxjf44|tkp%3ABk9SR5bT9oTEZw

Great. A few weeks ago another that I sent to the USA was returned to me, no reason given. So I'm now a bit nervous sending to the USA. I've emailed you a PDF of the Irish book.

Actually got mine early last week. Cool book and it's good to have that reference. Have you worked out anything about the Irish book? Thanks!

Good pictures, nice coin. It will tone well on a sunny windowsill , turned from time to time . Jerry

The light striations in the obverse fields indicate it might well have been wiped or cleaned in the past. As for polishing - is the mirror finish only in the fields but not the raised design (difficult to tell from those pictures)? If yes, then not polished, but if shiny all over then it most likely has been.

His last name wasn't Kuryakin by any chance?

Tks Rob I'd like to see the picture if you can find it

Very interesting—thanks a lot for the reply and the link, Jerry. I’ve had a read and I’m going to follow up on a few new leads. I’ll update when I find out more

In one of the current CNG auctions (E609), a couple of Edward VI fine silver items (lots 962 and 963) are catalogued as ‘Dalzell & Bianchi type 4’. Does anyone recognize this reference. Both are the Tower mint and both have the tun mint mark.

Thanks, that's amazing information, now I just have to leave it for a few decades to get some nice toning.

Hi Jerry, I was trying to show the mirror type reflection with the first picture. Also, it's definitely the genuine article 28.24 grams, specific gravity is bang on and sounds/rings like all my others. Cheers, Nigel

Hi guys I know this is an old thread, but would like to continue it with what I believe is some new info, if its not for here then please move it to a more appropriate thread. I have 4 1951 crowns, 2 standard and 2 cameo, one of the standard and 2 of the cameos have type 2 I believe, but the other standard might be a new type 1, please correct me if I am wrong ,maybe I have it the wrong way round. The type 1 on my standard has features you don't get on the others. There is a double rein on the horses neck, the strata under the dragon has clear lines , more muscle definition on the horse and dragon, the horses tail is further from the teeth and more gaps at the end and more hair near the rump, the spear handle seems more fractured is this a new variant or not, please advise, I appreciate any insight.

The double plume 1887 crown represents about 5% of the population. It is recorded and mentioned in a paper submitted to BNS blog but not yet published. Several of them were in The Thorburn Collection sold by Sovereign Rarities 23rd. Sep. 2025. notably lot 81

Try to take some clear photos of both sides of the coin, it’s difficult to comment on the images you give. There are some very good Chinese replicas available now and looking at the finish we need to rule those out first. Doubling in the strike would be a possibility, if we are dealing with the genuine article. Jerry