azda Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 A coin out of its holder doesn't lose its provenance...Hmmmmmm, as long as you have its certificate, but, China does well in that catagory Quote
Nicholas Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 I have 2 versions on line already - one from the auction catalogue and one that will remain with NGC... sshhh! Quote
azda Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 I have 2 versions on line already - one from the auction catalogue and one that will remain with NGC... sshhh!I'll of course shhhhh, but it won't shhhhh China. Viel Spaß with that xxx Quote
MACKSILKY. Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Been away boys with unfortunate events sadly. But this thread has really cheered me up, what fantastic coins from all members and the banter top of the bill, by the way az my mother was German so I speak and understand ein kleines bisschen:) Quote
ozjohn Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Can't say I've seen any counter stamped civil siege pieces either. As far as I can see they are counter stamped bits of silver produced from silver not originally intended for coinage. Quote
azda Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Been away boys with unfortunate events sadly. But this thread has really cheered me up, what fantastic coins from all members and the banter top of the bill, by the way az my mother was German so I speak and understand ein kleines bisschen:)Lol, ich verstehe auch nur ein kleines bisschen, weil ich aus Schottland bin Quote
Nicholas Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Ok if someone is enjoying- here's one more- very early milled - the little lady.. 2 Quote
azda Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) Tissue please Edited March 24, 2015 by azda Quote
jaggy Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Jaggy,I take it your not into eye appeal. LOL. Nice coin.MarkThanks Unfortunately, my photography isn't as good as it should be. I have other coins that look much better in real life than they do in my photos. Quote
ChKy Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Been away boys with unfortunate events sadly. But this thread has really cheered me up, what fantastic coins from all members and the banter top of the bill, by the way az my mother was German so I speak and understand ein kleines bisschen:)Lol, ich verstehe auch nur ein kleines bisschen, weil ich aus Schottland bin Und ich verstehe auch ein Bisschen, da ich halber Deutscher und halber Grieche bin LOL :-) Quote
Paulus Posted March 24, 2015 Author Posted March 24, 2015 Ok if someone is enjoying- here's one more- very early milled - the little lady..Just gorgeous Nicholas, can you tell us more about it? Quote
Nicholas Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) Yes I can. Peck 5. North 2050.Likely to be pattern for a silver groat, no one knows for sure. (or maybe penny, medalet..) Also struck in copper and gold. Afflictorum conservatrix - "To heal the afflicted"? interestingly one theory is that this was used as a cure for the sick or wounded soldiers and sailors by touching the coin.. Monogram of Elizabeth. 1601. 25mm, 4gramsThis coin is struck, but there are also cast versions that are more common. This coin from Dr. E C Carter collection 1950.Any further info welcome! Edited March 25, 2015 by Nicholas Quote
Paulus Posted March 25, 2015 Author Posted March 25, 2015 One more. A P834.Is that the coin on the home page of your web site Rob? Quote
Rob Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) Yes. Super coin. It was Nicholson 207. It seems to have spent most of its time living with the wrong attribution. Wrongly described as a thin flan in the Seaby Bulletin in 1982 and 1983, it was bought by Nicholson who recognised it for what it is (thick flan). It was bought by Stone in Nicholson's sale, then went through London Coins in the following November when he sold up. It came on the market again in Dec. 2005 where it was once again described as a thin flan, an attribution that helped my cause immensely as it sold for nearly £1K less than it went for in Nicholson. Doubles all round. Edited March 25, 2015 by Rob Quote
Paulus Posted March 25, 2015 Author Posted March 25, 2015 With your depth of knowledge you deserve that sort of luck 1 Quote
brg5658 Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 azda the point was the coin was graded on the basis of the original Mexican coin not its counter stamp as it should have been. However my observation is dragging the subject of this thread away from its original intent something that happens a lot in these forums. The UK and Sheldon scales are probably better discussed as a separate thread.NGC grades counter-stamped coins based on the counter-stamp, not the host coin. Quote
brg5658 Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 I know I've posted it before (sorry), but this little Maundy 4D is one of my favorite silver British pieces. 1 Quote
Paulus Posted March 26, 2015 Author Posted March 26, 2015 azda the point was the coin was graded on the basis of the original Mexican coin not its counter stamp as it should have been. However my observation is dragging the subject of this thread away from its original intent something that happens a lot in these forums. The UK and Sheldon scales are probably better discussed as a separate thread.NGC grades counter-stamped coins based on the counter-stamp, not the host coin.Bizarre though don't you think, as both are relevant to a collector and as to value? Quote
Paulus Posted March 26, 2015 Author Posted March 26, 2015 I know I've posted it before (sorry), but this little Maundy 4D is one of my favorite silver British pieces.Post away, this is exactly what I was hoping for when I started this thread! Quote
azda Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) azda the point was the coin was graded on the basis of the original Mexican coin not its counter stamp as it should have been. However my observation is dragging the subject of this thread away from its original intent something that happens a lot in these forums. The UK and Sheldon scales are probably better discussed as a separate thread. NGC grades counter-stamped coins based on the counter-stamp, not the host coin.Bizarre though don't you think, as both are relevant to a collector and as to value?And i feel somewhat smug Although as i said earlier, UK auction houses grade both Edited March 26, 2015 by azda Quote
brg5658 Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 azda the point was the coin was graded on the basis of the original Mexican coin not its counter stamp as it should have been. However my observation is dragging the subject of this thread away from its original intent something that happens a lot in these forums. The UK and Sheldon scales are probably better discussed as a separate thread. NGC grades counter-stamped coins based on the counter-stamp, not the host coin.Bizarre though don't you think, as both are relevant to a collector and as to value?And i feel somewhat smug Although as i said earlier, UK auction houses grade bothMy goodness you fellas are up late on that side of the pond!?! Quote
Rob Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 Quite normal. When I turn in sometime between 2 and 3, Scott takes over for the night shift. Quote
azda Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 Quite normal. When I turn in sometime between 2 and 3, Scott takes over for the night shift.And i work constant late shift Quote
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