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[DrLarry]

19 hours ago, Cliff said:

What do you reckon to this folks, repair gone adrift?

certainly looks like a very weak strike maybe the die is partially filled.  I have seen very thin dates and legend when the surface of the coin has been chemically altered underground but it isn't that .  

[DrLarry]

You guys work hard on your collecting and observation my hat off to you all. 

[1949threepence]

5 hours ago, alfnail said:

Here are the stats from my 5 years capture of YH penny ebay listings, from over a decade ago. I think if I were to now repeat the exercise (which I won't!) there will no longer be as many 1856's appearing. It seems that for Plain Tridents the small and large numeral types appear in similar numbers. 

I was a bit surprised when I did this exercise to find that approx. one third were OT's; I had expected fewer. It is still one of the few coins I seek in high grade for my collection, so it's annoying that there were examples like the one pictured below which got away from me!

 

 

Same here Ian. High grade 1856 OT pennies seem distinctly rarer than high grade 1843, 1849, 1860/59 currency, and 1839 & 1853 proofs. Even at low to middle grades they are hardly ever seen. 

I did notice an a/UNC specimen on offer from Dave Craddock a year or two back (for about £1600 I think), but hadn't read until the e mail had been in the in box for a day, and on enquiry, it was, as expected, gone.     

All the more frustrating, looking at your chart above (for which many thanks by the way), where is can be seen that they formed over a third of the 1856 total.

[Iannich48]

That is some nice work with those 1856 pennies. I too was surprised at the amount of PT small dates that were found. Saltford Coins had a very nice one a few months ago. 

[Bruce]

13 hours ago, alfnail said:

Here are the stats from my 5 years capture of YH penny ebay listings, from over a decade ago. I think if I were to now repeat the exercise (which I won't!) there will no longer be as many 1856's appearing. It seems that for Plain Tridents the small and large numeral types appear in similar numbers. 

I was a bit surprised when I did this exercise to find that approx. one third were OT's; I had expected fewer. It is still one of the few coins I seek in high grade for my collection, so it's annoying that there were examples like the one pictured below which got away from me!

 

 

Thanks for the detailed stat research, big thumb up👍 

[secret santa]

This penny is listed as an "E over F" in the next LCA - can anyone see anything to verify this ? And why would anyone have picked up an "F" punch to work on the reverse die of a bronze "ONE PENNY" ? And would an "F" punch of this size even exist ?

Edited November 8, 2022 by secret santa
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[terrysoldpennies]

I would have said it's a degraded E on the die, repunched with another E ? especially as the P has also deteriorated. 

[secret santa]

On 10/30/2022 at 4:53 PM, PWA 1967 said:

I have this Large date in the Baldwin Auction

I'm quite surprised that this one didn't sell, as the bronze pennies achieved very strong prices.

[alfnail]

2 hours ago, secret santa said:

This penny is listed as an "E over F" in the next LCA - can anyone see anything to verify this ? And why would anyone have picked up an "F" punch to work on the reverse die of a bronze "ONE PENNY" ? And would an "F" punch of this size even exist ?

Very sceptical that it's an E over F Richard.

If they had said it was a P over old style Y then that's very possible...........joking!!

[jelida]

3 hours ago, secret santa said:

This penny is listed as an "E over F" in the next LCA - can anyone see anything to verify this ? And why would anyone have picked up an "F" punch to work on the reverse die of a bronze "ONE PENNY" ? And would an "F" punch of this size even exist ?

Bound to be an E over E,  I think the photo shows the bottom limb of the lower ‘E’ as well. I won’t be bidding.

Jerry

[alfnail]

On 11/6/2022 at 4:34 PM, Cliff said:

What do you reckon to this folks, repair gone adrift?

Hi Cliff, hope all well with you.

Over the years I have seen several YH pennies with similar weak dates.

Here are some examples

 

[DrLarry]

2 hours ago, jelida said:

Bound to be an E over E,  I think the photo shows the bottom limb of the lower ‘E’ as well. I won’t be bidding.

Jerry

yeah unless there is a good reason to pick up an F ( only if the lower limb was in good order) I cannot see why an E would not be just an E over an E.  In the half penny overstamps it happens all the time.  Usually the lower limb blocks and all that remains is something like an F ...then they overstamp with an E .  I have listed many on the half penny thread .  Larry 

 

 

I think it is listed as an F over an E because it sound more erroneous and therefore they think it is worth more   

[DrLarry]

5 hours ago, secret santa said:

This penny is listed as an "E over F" in the next LCA - can anyone see anything to verify this ? And why would anyone have picked up an "F" punch to work on the reverse die of a bronze "ONE PENNY" ? And would an "F" punch of this size even exist ?

what yeah is this ?

[secret santa]

1 hour ago, DrLarry said:

what yeah is this ?

1860 if that's the question.

[1949threepence]

5 hours ago, secret santa said:

I'm quite surprised that this one didn't sell, as the bronze pennies achieved very strong prices.

Yes it is a bit surprising, notwithstanding the edge damage at 12 o'clock. I think the estimate was £700, and it is a vastly superior specimen to the one Coopers are offering for very little less.    

[DrLarry]

2 hours ago, DrLarry said:

what yeah is this ?

year sorry typo 

[DrLarry]

1 hour ago, secret santa said:

1860 if that's the question.

YEAH .....it is ....thanks      I was giving the answer of the question that came after .......reverse TWO Ronnies mastermind routine 

Edited November 8, 2022 by DrLarry

[Iannich48]

5 minutes ago, DrLarry said:

YEAH .....it is ....thanks      I was giving the answer of the question that came after .......reverse TWO Ronnies mastermind routine 

That was a brilliant sketch.

[PWA 1967]

6 hours ago, secret santa said:

I'm quite surprised that this one didn't sell, as the bronze pennies achieved very strong prices.

Yes ,i must of set the reserves to high ,which is always hard if not much to compare them with.

However IMO much better than having a reserve that is to low and risk giving them away ,just a case of trying to be fair / realistic and now found out i was wrong  😀

[DrLarry]

Has anyone come across an example of of a 1876H 6 over 6 ?  I dont want to repeat previous listings if we know of its existence .  Thank you 

[blakeyboy]

Charlie Smithers.

[DrLarry]

19 hours ago, DrLarry said:

Has anyone come across an example of of a 1876H 6 over 6 ?  I dont want to repeat previous listings if we know of its existence .  Thank you 

 

Edited November 9, 2022 by DrLarry

[PWA 1967]

On 11/8/2022 at 7:12 PM, PWA 1967 said:

Yes ,i must of set the reserves to high ,which is always hard if not much to compare them with.

However IMO much better than having a reserve that is to low and risk giving them away ,just a case of trying to be fair / realistic and now found out i was wrong  😀

Just an update for anyone who has one or maybe interested ,both the Large rose sold after the auction for the reserves.

Although was only informed this morning.

[DrLarry]

BP 1860 Jk - Obv R over R in BRITT I came across this 1860 with a lovely error ....in truth there are many errors but the RRR is the nicest part ....she sadly has been cleaned but I am not too worried 

Edited November 9, 2022 by DrLarry

[DrLarry]

1861  R over R  in REG