will1976 Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 On 11/26/2019 at 10:12 PM, JLS said: I wonder if it was produced as a "general" Scottish token Yes it could well of been, strange how there's no legends at all though. The nearest to the reverse I can find is Caverhill W7070, obviously different though 1 hour ago, copper123 said: Love the portrait It is yes, just seems odd with Victoria facing the wrong way! Quote
Rob Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 44 minutes ago, will1976 said: Yes it could well of been, strange how there's no legends at all though. The nearest to the reverse I can find is Caverhill W7070, obviously different though It is yes, just seems odd with Victoria facing the wrong way! Despite the obvious assumption people would make; with no legend, there is nothing to indicate it portrays Victoria on the obverse. The reverse could just as easily be part of a campaign to ban men in cloaks. St. Andrew's Day commemorative medallion, issued in association with a religious get together? There is a large number of tokens/medallions extant whose raison d'etre is a complete mystery to all bar a few. This would easily fit into that category in the absence of any documentation. 1 Quote
will1976 Posted November 28, 2019 Posted November 28, 2019 8 hours ago, Rob said: This would easily fit into that category in the absence of any documentation That's the trouble, can't find anything on it! Will put it in the 'unusual' section of my collection 1 Quote
will1976 Posted December 25, 2019 Posted December 25, 2019 Suffolk D&H15....excellent condition bought simply for the design, just love the hat. 3 Quote
Paulus Posted December 25, 2019 Posted December 25, 2019 Yes these are great, I have one - also love the Tudor garb! 3 Quote
Zo Arms Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 Thought I'd share this token with you. Won on eBay just before Christmas. Just arrived. Very pleased with the detail on the emu. Circa 1860 I think. And quite scarce? 5 Quote
ozjohn Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) In many Australian country towns the original business name is still on the building. I do not know if the Rockhampton (Rockie) building still exists but it would be interesting to find out. I doubt if the Brisbane building still exists as there has been much redevelopment over time. This may help. According to tis link the business still exists. https://collections.museumvictoria.com.au/articles/2474 Edited January 4, 2020 by ozjohn 1 Quote
mrbadexample Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 This is from Andrews' Australasian Tokens & Coins, but no indication as to rarity that I can see. I've got a couple of the Annand Smith & Co. tokens as they were one of Heaton's first issues. Quote
Rob Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, mrbadexample said: H&S (Heaton & Son) replaces SOHO: So two questions for me are: 1. is it a penny (based on the position of the middle prong on the trident and the N)? 2. Is the reverse die a copy of the Soho Britannia , or a modified Soho die sold by Taylor to Heaton. As Taylor acquired the tub of dies at the Soho auction following its closure in 1848, the options are it must have come from him after 1860, or undocumented dies must have left Soho before closure, or a second lot of dies was obtained by Heaton at the auction. Given Taylor was also striking tokens for various people, it would be surprising if he passed work on to a competitor, including the supply of dies. And as an afterthought - is the edge plain? 2 Quote
mrbadexample Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) 1. Yes, a penny. 2. As far as I understand it, Annand Smith & Co first issued their copper tokens on October 20th 1849. The original order was from the SOHO mint (SOHO had been removed - picture). Subsequent orders were from Heatons and made from modified dies obtained from the auction of SOHO's bits and pieces. Sweeney notes: "These tokens involved a reverse die that had been used by Boulton & Watt for Imperial pence back in 1806-7, a die that originally had the SOHO mark of the Boulton mint at the base of the Britannia design below the shield. It was a simple change for Heatons to make (involving an interesting coincidence of letters) to eradicate the SOHO mark and replace it with their own - an H&S for Heaton & Son." And yes - plain edge. Edited January 4, 2020 by mrbadexample Quote
Rob Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 That's certainly the catalogue of the sale. The last looks like the lot of dies purchased by Taylor. The question is whether there was a second tub of dies which were acquired by Heaton which included the 1806 reverse. We know that Taylor acquired dies of virtually every issue recorded by Peck at Soho, but more important is whether these were the only dies in the sale. I don't have the catalogue. Quote
mrbadexample Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 Another bit from Sweeney, after he records the purchases of the presses, says: "Certain additional equipment (engine, shafting and sundry machinery) was thereafter procured from Joseph Taylor, whose firm is known today as Taylor and Challen." Perhaps he did manage to acquire them from Taylor at some point, if not from the sale. Quote
Garrett Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, ozjohn said: In many Australian country towns the original business name is still on the building. I do not know if the Rockhampton (Rockie) building still exists but it would be interesting to find out. I doubt if the Brisbane building still exists as there has been much redevelopment over time. This may help. According to tis link the business still exists. https://collections.museumvictoria.com.au/articles/2474 Yes they do (*edit* at least they've been in the current position for a long-long time. Early buildings were sometime relocated, even if just slightly. There are some Rocky historical groups on FaceBook that would be worth joinging if you're keen). In the below video the Criterion (the 'Cri) is the white building in the middle of the frame at 1:33. Stewarts is the building behind the post office (with the clock tower) at 2:15 and you can see the name on the building at various times. cheers Edited January 4, 2020 by Garrett 2 Quote
Garrett Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) Stewarts probably looked more like this around the time of the token. still the same corner though I believe (Denham and East). Edited January 4, 2020 by Garrett 2 Quote
Zo Arms Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 An excellent article here about Stewart, Hemmant and the Great fire of Brisbane. Well worth reading all of it. Intriguing last paragraph. ( Hope I've done the link correctly). Brisbane Burns: How the Great Fires of 1864 Shaped a City and its People - Sharyn Merkley - Google Books Quote
Danelaw Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 Odd find really. I was emptying some rubbish into a skip..and this was on the floor next to it. I think some sort of token? Any help out there? Quote
bagerap Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 Swedish occupation money in Latvia (Livonia). If it's real, it is tha best I've ever seen so maybe repro. Originals were in billon 1 Quote
Paddy Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 First side appears to read "Moneta Revalie" and the second "Magistri Livonie". I had a look through Livonia coins on Numista and came up with this: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces156067.html "Modern copy of coin from Livonian order Reval. Tallinn." 1 Quote
bagerap Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 Copy of something like this: https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=877&lot=6 1 Quote
Danelaw Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 Cheers people. I think you're spot on Paddy! Quote
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