RChris Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 What's the point of these? You'd think if someone was going to the trouble of making dies to manufacture these things, the least they could do would be make them realistic. The size of the beads for a start.......!http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1933-GEORGE-V-PENNY-FREE-POST-UK-ONLY-/261320089881?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item3cd7e42119 Quote
Paulus Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 On a scale of 1-100 possibly 1 point, instead of a date hole in a cabinet or album ... but not at that price! Quote
davidrj Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 What's the point of these? You'd think if someone was going to the trouble of making dies to manufacture these things, the least they could do would be make them realistic. The size of the beads for a start.......!Is making an accurate copy of coin of the Realm not forgery? or does the law only cover only items that are currently legal tender? Quote
davidrj Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 (edited) more "fillers" hereThough I do have a soft spot for theseAnything that might encourage youngsters to take an interest should be welcomedInteresting bits of my "penny" collection - Oddments sectiondoes anyone know if others exist, these two certainly from the same manufacturer - sure the H does not refer to Heaton Edited November 3, 2013 by davidrj Quote
Paulus Posted November 3, 2013 Posted November 3, 2013 more "fillers" hereThough I do have a soft spot for theseAnything that might encourage youngsters to take an interest should be welcomedInteresting bits of my "penny" collection - Oddments sectiondoes anyone know if others exist, these two certainly from the same manufacturer - sure the H does not refer to Heaton Reminds me of Victorian 'Toy Money', nothing wrong with encouraging the young-uns! Quote
Accumulator Posted November 3, 2013 Posted November 3, 2013 I agree, that reproduction is all wrong. I would rather have a space filler that looked like this: Quote
Sword Posted November 3, 2013 Posted November 3, 2013 A reproduction that looks like the real thing is more interesting than a "fantasy" coin. There are plenty of fantasy coins for Edward VIII but I haven't seen a decent copy of a real coin. Wonder why. Quote
Peckris Posted November 3, 2013 Posted November 3, 2013 What's the point of these? You'd think if someone was going to the trouble of making dies to manufacture these things, the least they could do would be make them realistic. The size of the beads for a start.......!http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1933-GEORGE-V-PENNY-FREE-POST-UK-ONLY-/261320089881?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item3cd7e42119I guess the point of them being so 'unrealistic ugly' is to make it impossible to convert them to a 'real fake'! After all, real fakes are worth 3 figures on eBay.What's the point of these? You'd think if someone was going to the trouble of making dies to manufacture these things, the least they could do would be make them realistic. The size of the beads for a start.......!Is making an accurate copy of coin of the Realm not forgery? or does the law only cover only items that are currently legal tender?Yes, I think the law only covers legal tender. But if you faked a non-current coin with the intent to deceive and con people out of their hard-earned, that would be illegal too (though a different law).I agree, that reproduction is all wrong. I would rather have a space filler that looked like this:Now you're talking!! Quote
davidrj Posted November 3, 2013 Posted November 3, 2013 (edited) I agree, that reproduction is all wrong. I would rather have a space filler that looked like this:Snap!Not as good as yours though Edited November 3, 2013 by davidrj Quote
Red Riley Posted November 4, 2013 Posted November 4, 2013 I agree, that reproduction is all wrong. I would rather have a space filler that looked like this:As I understand it, made from a 1935 with the whole exergue lowered and the numbers recut. Incredibly skillful and probably worth the three figures (as long as those figures aren't too big) that you'll pay for it. Quote
Accumulator Posted November 5, 2013 Posted November 5, 2013 Here's a few moreIf one were to come onto the market…. Quote
Paulus Posted November 5, 2013 Posted November 5, 2013 Here's a few moreIf one were to come onto the market….You mean a real one? Verified by several 'experts'? What do you think it would fetch?? Quote
Paulus Posted November 5, 2013 Posted November 5, 2013 £30k +I was thinking it might make 6 figures, even in 'about fine' - not that grade would be as big a consideration as normal! Imagine the kudos if you owned one that was universally agreed to be genuine ... sky's the limit! Quote
Gary D Posted November 5, 2013 Posted November 5, 2013 £30k +I was thinking it might make 6 figures, even in 'about fine' - not that grade would be as big a consideration as normal! Imagine the kudos if you owned one that was universally agreed to be genuine ... sky's the limit!I would guess £85k+ Quote
Peter Posted November 5, 2013 Posted November 5, 2013 Didn't Peck get one in his change in a nightclub? Quote
Accumulator Posted November 5, 2013 Posted November 5, 2013 £30k +I was thinking it might make 6 figures, even in 'about fine' - not that grade would be as big a consideration as normal! Imagine the kudos if you owned one that was universally agreed to be genuine ... sky's the limit! I would guess £85k+I'm trying not to talk the price up! Quote
Coinery Posted November 5, 2013 Posted November 5, 2013 100k + easy, think of the world interest in such a famous penny, the kings, princes, Arabs, museums!!!!!That bottom coin of the 3 is really stonkin', I can see why your eyes sparkled AC! Quote
Peckris Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 Didn't Peck get one in his change in a nightclub? LOL - the first time I ever went to a nightclub I was underage and pissed. Every time after that, we'd gone decimal; I couldn't even score a 1967. Quote
RChris Posted November 7, 2013 Author Posted November 7, 2013 (edited) Anyone else think Ingrams grading is generally on the over exagerated side......?http://www.ringramcoins.com/english_coins_antique_coins_catalogue.shtmlThis is described as "cleverly altered". I reckon a 14 year old kid in metalwork class could have made a better job!And a lot of Ingrams other grading is well suspect IMHO. Edited November 7, 2013 by RChris Quote
Paulus Posted November 7, 2013 Posted November 7, 2013 Anyone else think Ingrams grading is generally on the over exagerated side......?Yes, I agree completely. I get their updated listings in the post and by email but rarely look at them any more, they appear to consistently over-grade (quite significantly, we are talking more 'Country Cottage' than 'Bucks Coins' in the over-grading stakes), and their pics are appalling.Disclaimer: All just my personal opinion! Quote
goomolique Posted November 8, 2013 Posted November 8, 2013 Anyone else think Ingrams grading is generally on the over exagerated side......?Yes, I agree completely. I get their updated listings in the post and by email but rarely look at them any more, they appear to consistently over-grade (quite significantly, we are talking more 'Country Cottage' than 'Bucks Coins' in the over-grading stakes), and their pics are appalling.Disclaimer: All just my personal opinion!I bought some coins from them in the past. All were overgraded by at least one grade. One AU shilling was more like VF.Never again. Quote
Peter Posted November 8, 2013 Posted November 8, 2013 The simple solution is to send it back.I've bought just 2 coins from them and have no plans for a 3rd.The thing is their stocks are massive (I wonder why?) It is the same with a major (non internet) dealeralways at fairs who has a fantastic stock list but prices are .I always look at their coins and then move on. Quote
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