Bronze & Copper Collector Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 On 10/6/2017 at 4:00 AM, secret santa said: Here's a decent one. SPECTACULAR! !! Quote
zookeeperz Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, Bronze & Copper Collector said: SPECTACULAR! !! Wow that must be the finest know surely? Be worth an absolute fortune . I am drooling fantastic coin I looked on London coin auctions and the finest they have ever seen was VF/GVF and that sold for £1500 Edited October 10, 2017 by zookeeperz Quote
secret santa Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 20 hours ago, RLC35 said: That looks like Michael Gouby's example. I actually bought it from Michael Gouby 14 years ago. Quote
mrbadexample Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 Following on from the is it / isn't it debate on the ebay's worst offerings thread, and using the above for comparison, is the top example here an open 3? Quote
jelida Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 I don’t think so, it’s another photo illusion. Jerry Quote
PWA 1967 Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 I am better off saying nothing But that looks like the ebay one.......So will have to say not Quote
mrbadexample Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 27 minutes ago, jelida said: I don’t think so, it’s another photo illusion. Jerry That's unfortunate. Someone paid a lot of money for it. http://londoncoins.co.uk/?page=Pastresults&auc=147&searchlot=2922&searchtype=2 Quote
jelida Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 48 minutes ago, mrbadexample said: That's unfortunate. Someone paid a lot of money for it. http://londoncoins.co.uk/?page=Pastresults&auc=147&searchlot=2922&searchtype=2 Gosh! Well, I hope I am wrong, photos can lie both ways, and LCA are not usually wrong! Jerry Quote
jelida Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) Just had a look at the LCA coins, that one does look dubious compared to the rest, but then look at the proportions of the 6 compared to Richards photo, I think it is a case of a poor resolution image and a photographically squashed exergue . As it is LCA I am sure it is OK in the hand, though I don’t remember if I looked at it at the auction. So I am back-tracking on this one, which goes to show how difficult to judge from poor quality photos, I have been caught out before on the bay, though for less than a tenner. The Ebay coin above though is as Rob says simply die wear or fill taking away the tail of the 3. Jerry Edited October 11, 2017 by jelida Typo 1 Quote
mrbadexample Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 It is difficult to tell from the LCA photos, I agree. The bit that makes me think twice is the pointing of the downstroke of the 3. Seems to be aiming a bit low compared to Richard's. Quote
RLC35 Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 Below is a reference from Gouby's Book. Notice the Open 3 has a spike at the top left of the 3... 1 Quote
Bronze & Copper Collector Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 15 hours ago, RLC35 said: Below is a reference from Gouby's Book. Notice the Open 3 has a spike at the top left of the 3... Beat me to it..... 1 Quote
Rob Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 With the odd spike pointing down, was this originally an 1861 die, filled and recut? Is that shape of 3 seen anywhere else to suggest it is a complete punch? Quote
davidrj Posted October 12, 2017 Author Posted October 12, 2017 55 minutes ago, Rob said: With the odd spike pointing down, was this originally an 1861 die, filled and recut? Is that shape of 3 seen anywhere else to suggest it is a complete punch? Or a botched 5 over 3? 1 Quote
RLC35 Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 43 minutes ago, davidrj said: Or a botched 5 over 3? David, I have always thought it might have been a modified "5", to make it pass as a 3, when a 3 punch was not available. 1 Quote
zookeeperz Posted October 23, 2017 Posted October 23, 2017 Is it, is it? Come on don't sit on the fence you know it is but seriously is this one ? Quote
PWA 1967 Posted October 23, 2017 Posted October 23, 2017 I like to learn on here.....Going to say NO but i am always wrong Quote
zookeeperz Posted October 23, 2017 Posted October 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Michael-Roo said: No. Just testing. 3 too far away. strange shape though top very short Quote
Rob Posted October 23, 2017 Posted October 23, 2017 I'm going to be a contrarian and say yes. What is the question? 2 Quote
RLC35 Posted October 23, 2017 Posted October 23, 2017 11 minutes ago, Michael-Roo said: No. I'm with you Mike...No :-) Quote
zookeeperz Posted October 23, 2017 Posted October 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, RLC35 said: I'm with you Mike...No :-) I thought it also looked like it might with a stretch be 3/5 Is what is making the 3 look like its pointing horizontal and there are two finishing points on the tail and an extended top part behind the where the right top edge starts but prob just my eyes playing tricks Quote
alfnail Posted October 24, 2017 Posted October 24, 2017 Richard's pennyvarieties website has recently been updated re. 1863 open 3 reverses to include the attached types, which are additional to his excellent example at the top of this page. I believe that all 3 types have been sold as open 3's at LCA Quote
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