Fake Cromwell Crown

[numismatist]

London Coins has this , they appear to say its Die Struck, and the edge lettering

is bold

So very worrying as it looks pretty convincing (Lot 1953 September 2013 Auction)

I cannot add the Photos as the Forum is blocking them

[Nick]

London Coins has this , they appear to say its Die Struck, and the edge lettering

is bold

So very worrying as it looks pretty convincing (Lot 1953 September 2013 Auction)

I cannot add the Photos as the Forum is blocking them

I think most of the recent high-grade fakes will be die-struck rather than cast. The Chinese have obviously learnt that the cast ones are too easily spotted.

[azda]

Well thats surprising if CGS have'nt spotted that

[Nick]

Well thats surprising if CGS have'nt spotted that

They have. It's listed by them as an imitation.

[azda]

Ahhh numismatist did'nt mention that and i had'nt read Londons description

[Benny who]

I think lot 1951 is very similar,the mark below the 1,the mark across from the Q and shield,and the marks just after the O of BELLO,just to mention a few on the reverse.

[Paulus]

What surprises me if it it is a non-contemporary copy they have an estimate of £250 - £750 on it ... why on earth would someone pay that sort of money for it?

[azda]

What surprises me if it it is a non-contemporary copy they have an estimate of £250 - £750 on it ... why on earth would someone pay that sort of money for it?

In order to deceive an unsuspecting buyer. A genuine coin would sell for 4 figures. What i don't get is if its not contemporary is why they'd sell it, even ebay has rules on that

[Benny who]

What surprises me if it it is a non-contemporary copy they have an estimate of £250 - £750 on it ... why on earth would someone pay that sort of money for it?

Trouble is that if these types of fakes sell for theses prices,it will give them a marketable value, other than the melt value,which in turn,would in my opinion make them more acceptable in the wider coin collecting community.

If the quality of this coin and the newer gothics' are anything to go by,and these are made for a few pound more than what the Silver content is valued at,

I would expect to see more turning up over the next few years,or even more common coins,anything over a hundred pound and they have doubled their money.

[Paulus]

What surprises me if it it is a non-contemporary copy they have an estimate of £250 - £750 on it ... why on earth would someone pay that sort of money for it?

Trouble is that if these types of fakes sell for theses prices,it will give them a marketable value, other than the melt value,which in turn,would in my opinion make them more acceptable in the wider coin collecting community.

If the quality of this coin and the newer gothics' are anything to go by,and these are made for a few pound more than what the Silver content is valued at,

I would expect to see more turning up over the next few years,or even more common coins,anything over a hundred pound and they have doubled their money.

But if it's a modern Chinese copy you can just order your own on the net for around £50, if memories from a previous post are correct ... so while modern replicas already have a market I don't know why they would ever command a price much over melt ... maybe I am missing something! However I totally share the view that if they are very good and passed off as genuine, then that already is/and will increasingly be a major problem

[Paulus]

What surprises me if it it is a non-contemporary copy they have an estimate of £250 - £750 on it ... why on earth would someone pay that sort of money for it?

In order to deceive an unsuspecting buyer. A genuine coin would sell for 4 figures. What i don't get is if its not contemporary is why they'd sell it, even ebay has rules on that

So Dave you think the estimate might reflect what an unscrupulous buyer might pay for a copy he thought he could resell as genuine?

[azda]

Its a possibility Paul, watch and See what the hammer price is, the higher it is (only my opinion) then the more possibility of it being passed off as genuine to recoup the outlay and make a few bucks which is why sellers of fakes sell them in the first place.

Will be interesting to see the result on this one

[Paulus]

I agree, and will also watch with interest ... I have also been surprised by how much 'Ashmore Coins' sell for on eBay, surely they are just good modern replicas?

[Peter]

I had to have an Ashmore coin for my collection.

Some are excellent'

A piece of our numismatic history.

[numismatist]

Managed to show photos..Cromwell Die Struck Fake....

Lot 1953 September London Coins Auction

[Coinery]

Blinking heck, that is good!

I can understand, if you are a serious collector of early milled, why you'd want an example of these faked coins. Let's face it, if you're well enough placed to be buying originals of these types of coins, it's not going to break your bank to run a secondary collection of counterfeits and fakes alongside.

[Peckris]

Blinking heck, that is good!

I can understand, if you are a serious collector of early milled, why you'd want an example of these faked coins. Let's face it, if you're well enough placed to be buying originals of these types of coins, it's not going to break your bank to run a secondary collection of counterfeits and fakes alongside.

But if you're not, £500 is not going to pull you in, is it? And let's face it, the lower end of the market is numerically far greater than the posh end. It's the same with everything - cars, food, clothing, etc. The nearest I came to temptation was £250 for a Gothic proof crown repro, but in the end I backed out (to my lasting regret).

[Sword]

There must be some mistake. According to the London Coins Website, it sold for... wait for it ...£3800 !!!!!!

How is this possible?

[Nick]

There must be some mistake. According to the London Coins Website, it sold for... wait for it ...£3800 !!!!!!

How is this possible?

Somebody must believe that London Coins are wrong about it being an imitation. Either that or they are plainly an ijut.

[Colin88]

Managed to show photos..Cromwell Die Struck Fake....

Lot 1953 September London Coins Auction

Jeez....that's a corker of a fugazi...if the tiddlywinks are starting to make copies of that quality, it might be time to start collecting stamps......arrrgh, I cant believe I said that !

[Paulus]

I can't believe the price it went for either!

For convenience, here is what London Coins say about it:

"1658 Oliver Cromwell high quality imitation in silver 30.1 grams nEF some dimples and surface bubbles reverse which would be inconsistent with the genuine issue, clearly a sharply struck rather than cast piece with edge lettering bold and of high quality, origin unknown and in need of further research"

[Coinery]

I can't believe the price it went for either!

For convenience, here is what London Coins say about it:

"1658 Oliver Cromwell high quality imitation in silver 30.1 grams nEF some dimples and surface bubbles reverse which would be inconsistent with the genuine issue, clearly a sharply struck rather than cast piece with edge lettering bold and of high quality, origin unknown and in need of further research"

The man who bought that possesses much indeed! I'd be surprised if the 'specifics' of this coin become common knowledge? More likely an investment tool for a grading company is my guess! Or, of course, it belongs now to a very high class collector of the genuine articles?

[azda]

Lets not forget, it would take more than one ijut to actually Push it that far, so there was obviously 2 of them, possibly more. We should all be saving that picture as a reference because it'll be back someday and will be selling as genuine.

[Paulus]

I know I've said it once but I'm going to say it again ... I can't believe the price it went for either!!!!

With BP that's over £4500, and if he sells it at auction as genuine and isn't rumbled, with no provenance, he will need to realise over £5500 just to break even (assuming commission at 20%) ... I am completely dumbfounded!!

[Nicholas]

My guess, buyers who thought it authentic. Presumably not english speaking...