azda Posted June 22, 2014 Posted June 22, 2014 Another Gothic Crown from China. Winning bidder had n**p in his name and has a 2695 feedback and left feedback for the seller on 21.05. Feedback was left in English and was happy with it. I'm just wondering if we'll see it pop up in the UK to be sold as genuine. Keep um peeledhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121337952501?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D121337952501%26_rdc%3D1 Quote
Coinery Posted June 22, 2014 Posted June 22, 2014 I've just emailed Lockdales about Lot #1039 (Charles I silver shilling) in their next sale. Has the same broken inner circle as Dave's Scottish purchase.The groat afaik is fine.It's not the worst effort I've seen by a long shot...any reasons why this particular coin? Quote
azda Posted June 22, 2014 Posted June 22, 2014 This is up for sale in the next DNW sale, would it worry anyone that the tops are missing on the OBV legend and there's a scratch coming from the kings mouth? Quote
Paulus Posted June 22, 2014 Posted June 22, 2014 This is up for sale in the next DNW sale, would it worry anyone that the tops are missing on the OBV legend and there's a scratch coming from the kings mouth?Yes, the shape of the 6 is also wrong, which is the reason mine was rejected by CGS Quote
Peter Posted June 23, 2014 Posted June 23, 2014 Try Alibaba.com and this is the tip on the iceberg.TPG,Auction houses are easily duped.This forum is probably the best safety net due to our wide expertise.Chris....do a book on known fakes. 1 Quote
Gary1000 Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 This has been flagged as a possible fake, anyone got an opinion on it.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Edward-VII-1905-Florin-/360978080590?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item540bf8634e Quote
Paulus Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 This has been flagged as a possible fake, anyone got an opinion on it.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Edward-VII-1905-Florin-/360978080590?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item540bf8634eWhere is it flagged as a possible fake Gary? Quote
Chris Perkins Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 Chris....do a book on known fakes.That's a very good idea Peter. 1 Quote
Peckris Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 This has been flagged as a possible fake, anyone got an opinion on it.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Edward-VII-1905-Florin-/360978080590?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item540bf8634eMy opinion is that it would be quite a surprising fake considering 1) it's not a major rarity and 2) the condition is not too special. But who knows, these days? If Chinese, neither 1) nor 2) applies. Quote
TomGoodheart Posted July 7, 2014 Posted July 7, 2014 Pretty certain the Charles I shilling is fake. The rest ..well, I'm not sure about them, but they aren't my area. Anyone any views? http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/millfield2002/m.html?item=331254698500&hash=item4d20519204&pt=UK_Coins_BritishHammered_RL&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562 Quote
Rob Posted July 7, 2014 Posted July 7, 2014 First and last both look pretty porous. Not sure about the second because the picture is too blurred. Quote
TomGoodheart Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 The shape of the bell shilling is the same as the ones on forgerynetwork. All are quite toned dirty and so it's difficult to be 100% from the photos. But I wouldn't buy any of them .. or advise anyone else to. Quote
Peter Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 I'm sure as a forum we can give you bullets. CGS,PCGS,NCG,DNW,London Coins be warned. Quote
Coinery Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 I had an example of a very similar H8 groat, will look at my images when I get in!Bit of a coincidence that all 3 coins are of known fakes, it must be said! Quote
Chris Perkins Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 On the subject of fakes, the BNTA have just launched a website for members with user name and password protection, where known fakes are documented and shown (I assume, I haven't looked yet). Apparently users can also add fakes to the database. The information is not available to the public and this is the reason:After much thought, and consultation with many of the BNTA members, the Council decided that the best route to take with the forgeries database would be to protect the information in a “members only” section of the website. This means that the information is not shared with the public and genuine collectors are not put off from building their collections by knowledge of the quantity of that forgeries exist. The best way to battle this problem is to educate ourselves as members of the BNTA and feed this down to our clients when helping and advising them to buy coins. So, this concept boosts one of the core ideas of the BNTA : that collectors should look for the BNTA symbol when buying coins and are advised to seek out BNTA dealers when building a collection.The private nature of this information also adds value to your membership of the BNTA, with access to information that you would not be able to easily find elsewhere.I think that's a wrong decision and it seems to suggest that collectors are a bit silly and that they all really need a BNTA god to offer guidance. Many novices do need guidance, but surely the best way to battle any problem is to educate EVERYONE, not just a minority group of UK coin dealers. It would be nice if everyone was aware of the BNTA and that collectors actively looked for the BNTA symbol, but I suspect of all the coin sales on the internet in the world, less than 1% is made by a BNTA member and that nearly 100% of the coin buyers either don't know who the BNTA is, or don't really give a toss! 2 Quote
Paulus Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 On the subject of fakes, the BNTA have just launched a website for members with user name and password protection, where known fakes are documented and shown (I assume, I haven't looked yet). Apparently users can also add fakes to the database. The information is not available to the public and this is the reason:After much thought, and consultation with many of the BNTA members, the Council decided that the best route to take with the forgeries database would be to protect the information in a “members only” section of the website. This means that the information is not shared with the public and genuine collectors are not put off from building their collections by knowledge of the quantity of that forgeries exist. The best way to battle this problem is to educate ourselves as members of the BNTA and feed this down to our clients when helping and advising them to buy coins. So, this concept boosts one of the core ideas of the BNTA : that collectors should look for the BNTA symbol when buying coins and are advised to seek out BNTA dealers when building a collection.The private nature of this information also adds value to your membership of the BNTA, with access to information that you would not be able to easily find elsewhere.I think that's a wrong decision and it seems to suggest that collectors are a bit silly and that they all really need a BNTA god to offer guidance. Many novices do need guidance, but surely the best way to battle any problem is to educate EVERYONE, not just a minority group of UK coin dealers. It would be nice if everyone was aware of the BNTA and that collectors actively looked for the BNTA symbol, but I suspect of all the coin sales on the internet in the world, less than 1% is made by a BNTA member and that nearly 100% of the coin buyers either don't know who the BNTA is, or don't really give a toss! I agree! Quote
Rob Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 Any witholding of info regarding copies can only lead to their further distribution by people who have a focussed moral compass unwittingly passing them on as good. For all the people who pass on copies even when told they aren't genuine, there are a good few people who will withdraw them from sale. Restricting info serves no useful purpose in restricting supplies of copies, which ought to be the first objective.If the BNTA had a monopoly, or near monopoly of dealers then it might work, but with the BNTA being no more than a zit on the face of world numismatics, I think it is self-defeating. Quote
Chris Perkins Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 I just logged in to have a look. So far there are 5 English fakes (3 milled, 2 hammered), 1 Chinese and 2 Ancient Greek listed, so currently very much in its infancy, it would seem. Quote
Rob Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 (edited) They could always add in http://www.rpcoins.co.uk/c2%20pics/01874.jpg which I have described as such on the site, but it doesn't come from a BNTA member, so is presumably unwelcome? There are a lot of people who have done a lot of work in this department. The existing thing on the forgery network, SEUK's contemporary forgeries, the ongoing monitoring done by Richard and a dozen or more other people....... Is it just a case of my forgery is better than yours?There are many sites with forgeries listed. Far better would be a list of existing references than reinventing the wheel. Edited July 8, 2014 by Rob Quote
Chris Perkins Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 There are quite a few mentioned within this forum, too, over the years. It is no longer 1973 and thankfully there are search engines to aid people in finding lists of known forgeries etc. Quote
Nick Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 Getting a current list of fakes is easy. Just do an eBay search for coins with the description containing the word genuine. 2 Quote
Coinery Posted July 8, 2014 Posted July 8, 2014 There are quite a few mentioned within this forum, too, over the years.This was my thought exactly as I was reading through this thread!I'd say this group will produce and find out far more information than any 'privileged' minority of coin 'experts' will ever do! Quote
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