RLC35 Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 In my recent trip to Orlando, Florida, and the FUN (Florida United Numismatic) Convention, I found a new variety for me. I have since found out there are a few others out there, but very few. I have a F192, 1922 Penny, with a prominent "dot" on the middle tine of the Trident. It is a pretty nice penny, but does have a few stains. Below is a pic of the coin.Does anyone out there have any information about this one? Quote
davidrj Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 In my recent trip to Orlando, Florida, and the FUN (Florida United Numismatic) Convention, I found a new variety for me. I have since found out there are a few others out there, but very few. I have a F192, 1922 Penny, with a prominent "dot" on the middle tine of the Trident. It is a pretty nice penny, but does have a few stains. Below is a pic of the coin.Does anyone out there have any information about this one?Nice find Bob! Did you pay a premium or was it sold as a standard 1922? The one in the James Workman Sale made £350I assume it's a speck flaw like the 1897 O*NEDavid Quote
RLC35 Posted January 12, 2012 Author Posted January 12, 2012 You are probably right David, although it really looks like it was an intentional "Dot" because it is a very sharp. I did buy it for a standard 1922...once in a while you get lucky! <gggg>. I traded email's with Michael Gouby, and Bernie Workman regarding the coin, and they both referred me to the Workman sale. Bernie said he new of one other example (besides the Workman example), so I thought I would ask around, if there were any others known, here on the Forum. Thanks for the reply. Quote
Bronze & Copper Collector Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 I have one (I'll post in a few days when I get home)..I know of maybe 3-4 others, probably a few more out there.... Quote
azda Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 In my recent trip to Orlando, Florida, and the FUN (Florida United Numismatic) Convention, I found a new variety for me. I have since found out there are a few others out there, but very few. I have a F192, 1922 Penny, with a prominent "dot" on the middle tine of the Trident. It is a pretty nice penny, but does have a few stains. Below is a pic of the coin.Does anyone out there have any information about this one?Is that a dot in the middle of the trident shaft to Bob? I heard of a dot being on a penny there, can't remember if it was the 1922 or not, but never seen one on the prong before.It needs a bath of olive oil Quote
Peckris Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 Interesting. When I posted my 1821 sixpence the other day, I didn't think it worth also mentioning the presence of a similar "dot" in the date on the reverse. It's not listed in Davies, but you can see it quite clearly after the figure 2 in the date. Quote
RLC35 Posted January 12, 2012 Author Posted January 12, 2012 In my recent trip to Orlando, Florida, and the FUN (Florida United Numismatic) Convention, I found a new variety for me. I have since found out there are a few others out there, but very few. I have a F192, 1922 Penny, with a prominent "dot" on the middle tine of the Trident. It is a pretty nice penny, but does have a few stains. Below is a pic of the coin.Does anyone out there have any information about this one?Is that a dot in the middle of the trident shaft to Bob? I heard of a dot being on a penny there, can't remember if it was the 1922 or not, but never seen one on the prong before.It needs a bath of olive oilDave, What you see on the trident shaft is a light contact mark. I do need to somehow contain the staining...it is also on the reverse. The last time I used olive oil, it darkened the coin, which I don't want to do. Any other ideas?..... Quote
Gary D Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 In my recent trip to Orlando, Florida, and the FUN (Florida United Numismatic) Convention, I found a new variety for me. I have since found out there are a few others out there, but very few. I have a F192, 1922 Penny, with a prominent "dot" on the middle tine of the Trident. It is a pretty nice penny, but does have a few stains. Below is a pic of the coin.Does anyone out there have any information about this one?Is that a dot in the middle of the trident shaft to Bob? I heard of a dot being on a penny there, can't remember if it was the 1922 or not, but never seen one on the prong before.It needs a bath of olive oilDave, What you see on the trident shaft is a light contact mark. I do need to somehow contain the staining...it is also on the reverse. The last time I used olive oil, it darkened the coin, which I don't want to do. Any other ideas?.....Try a different brand of olive oil, something slightly more acidic. Quote
Colin G. Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 Well done Bob, always good to grab something unexpected!! Quote
Bronze & Copper Collector Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 as promised...images of my 1922 dot on trident Quote
davidrj Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 as promised...images of my 1922 dot on tridentThink this one will always be rare as the spot will almost certainly be the first thing to wear away, so it will only be found in a small subset of high grade 1922 pennies.David Quote
RLC35 Posted January 15, 2012 Author Posted January 15, 2012 as promised...images of my 1922 dot on tridentNice copy Gary. Adding your coin to those known already, makes four (4) total! I am sure there are more out there though. Davidrj may have a point about the available quantity of 1922 "Dots", due to that part of the coin wearing first! Quote
Bronze & Copper Collector Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 as promised...images of my 1922 dot on tridentNice copy Gary. Adding your coin to those known already, makes four (4) total! I am sure there are more out there though. Davidrj may have a point about the available quantity of 1922 "Dots", due to that part of the coin wearing first!Thanks Bob,I'm sure there are a few more that we don't know about yet..... Quote
Accumulator Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 as promised...images of my 1922 dot on tridentNice copy Gary. Adding your coin to those known already, makes four (4) total! I am sure there are more out there though. Davidrj may have a point about the available quantity of 1922 "Dots", due to that part of the coin wearing first!Thanks Bob,I'm sure there are a few more that we don't know about yet.....I don't have one in my collection but was made aware of it by Bernie Workman (I believe). I do have a large number of 1922 coins to go through when I have time, so it's possible though unlikely I'll find something. Quote
scott Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 i have a VF 1922 penny, it could be a dot, all that is left a slightly differant coloured mark there, so it is either just one of those things, or it does indeed wear very quickly Quote
Peckris Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 i have a VF 1922 penny, it could be a dot, all that is left a slightly differant coloured mark there, so it is either just one of those things, or it does indeed wear very quicklyPicture? Quote
scott Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 i cant see it on the picture, it is very very hard to spot even with a magnifier. requires particular angles to see the slight change in brown. Quote
PWA 1967 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 On 1/11/2012 at 7:55 AM, Bronze & Copper Collector said: I have one (I'll post in a few days when I get home).. I know of maybe 3-4 others, probably a few more out there.... I have just noticed this thread and have one also. As the thread is a few years old wondered if the numbers have increased alot ?. 1 Quote
RLC35 Posted August 11, 2017 Author Posted August 11, 2017 47 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said: I have just noticed this thread and have one also. As the thread is a few years old wondered if the numbers have increased alot ?. I have not heard of any new copys, how about anyone else? I still have mine. :-) Quote
InforaPenny Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 This 1922 trident dot variety is both interesting and unusual. However, it should be pointed out that the likely origin of the raised dot on this coin is rust on the die. Such rust can lead to a circular pit in the hardened steel die, resulting in a round dot when the coin is struck. This has recently been studied in some detail, and below is a link to this article in the Journal of the Numismatic Association of Australia. http://www.numismatics.org.au/pdfjournal/Vol27/vol-27-article-1.pdf Best Regards, InforaPenny 2 Quote
mick1271 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I have a 1917 penny with a raised dot at the left of the date .Will need to dig it out and try and get a pic up. Quote
Gary D Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 I have a 1922 with the dot also. If a study was done you should be able to see the dot gradually form. I had a 1946 with a minor spiders webb crack where the dot was to form, I sold it before I realised what it was. Quote
VickySilver Posted August 16, 2017 Posted August 16, 2017 Somewhere I have a '22 with a die crack forming twixt tines of the trident.... Quote
copper123 Posted August 16, 2017 Posted August 16, 2017 If I had an unxplained dot on my shaft I would be more worried than anything else Quote
Peckris Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 On 16 August 2017 at 1:50 PM, copper123 said: If I had an unxplained dot on my shaft I would be more worried than anything else Quote
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