mrbadexample Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, hibernianscribe said: By knowingly attempting to sell a likeness of a hypothetical item a seller is committing an equal sin to one who knowingly tries to sell a fake item. Both are deception! I wouldn't have an issue if it was described as a fantasy, but it isn't. Quote
hibernianscribe Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 22 minutes ago, mrbadexample said: I wouldn't have an issue if it was described as a fantasy, but it isn't. I agree entirely. Quote
bagerap Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 Zookeeperz, here's about the best image you'll find. I still can't make my mind up on yours. Quote
mrbadexample Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 Is it wrong to be slightly tempted? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Defaced-1905-Edward-VII-Penny-with-what-looks-like-an-Owl-on-Skis/132381311148?hash=item1ed28a80ac:g:1m8AAOSwy0JZ7dH4 1 Quote
Rob Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 2 hours ago, bagerap said: Zookeeperz, here's about the best image you'll find. I still can't make my mind up on yours. I still think the image is blurred for a reason. This also has good sharp legend. The M is completely different on the bright one. Maybe this has been dipped/etched to destruction given the lettering is uniformly narrower. Obviously can't say if not in hand. Quote
zookeeperz Posted October 31, 2017 Posted October 31, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, mrbadexample said: Is it wrong to be slightly tempted? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Defaced-1905-Edward-VII-Penny-with-what-looks-like-an-Owl-on-Skis/132381311148?hash=item1ed28a80ac:g:1m8AAOSwy0JZ7dH4 You know what I am tempted to buy and it probably has no monetary value? Trench art but not the cruddy rough hat etched on and a moustache lol. The proper ones with total transformations or the ones with skeleton faces. I am a great admirer of talent esp something I think is almost close to genius. Esp from someone who was graded D+ on a stickman drawing lol Edited October 31, 2017 by zookeeperz Quote
zookeeperz Posted October 31, 2017 Posted October 31, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, bagerap said: Zookeeperz, here's about the best image you'll find. I still can't make my mind up on yours. I am not so worried about the lettering they came in both styles large and narrow and if you can without doing your eyes any damage see the split serifs on the lettering showing it's double struck of course it could be blur. What I didn't like was the rim thickness and the teeth blending into the rim. They always spell danger signs for me. But I keep coming back to the head and I cannot fault the hair style or it's general look apart from he doesn't have a pig nose. That also could of been done to make him look less like a fugly . Unfortunately this is my world error and variety hunting sometimes means taking that leap of faith. A lot of looks like this and could be that are just that in reality. But for every 9 that are nothing that 1 that is what you think you saw it makes up for all the disappointments and of course you learn a little more. What a superb coin by the way. About as top draw as your going to see. Although I did see a Victoria rupee PL67 jesus it's stunning but £27,000 a little out of my price range Edited October 31, 2017 by zookeeperz Quote
bagerap Posted October 31, 2017 Posted October 31, 2017 The script below ONE RUPEE is, I believe, Persian. Indian friends tell me that it's a very good place to check for forgery as very few Indians can write Persian accurately. Quote
zookeeperz Posted October 31, 2017 Posted October 31, 2017 7 hours ago, bagerap said: The script below ONE RUPEE is, I believe, Persian. Indian friends tell me that it's a very good place to check for forgery as very few Indians can write Persian accurately. I have made the call and it's a jeckel IMO too many discrepancies marked on the pictures. The head they used is not from a rupee imo the hair at the back is swept forwards with a wavy line about an inch above the ear. The script as you mentioned is also suspect there is no angular kink that gives that boomerang shape just a curved line and it is dotted. The line tip that points just past the right edge of the E upright is too far past almost half the bottom serif. Rims are way too thick. Suspect rim teeth Legend style. different fonts and pointings. I am sure I I spent some time I could find many more but what I have seen is more than enough to call it a copy. Scarey thing is it will fool a lot of people. It will I hope ultimately go down the road of unless it is guaranteed authentic then you cannot sell it. I am all for that . Something has to give as this isn't just isolated cases its becoming the norm. Surely in part the industry has a responsibility and so does the online crooks ebay and alike that lets this garbage on the site to start with. Eventually it will hurt sales in a big way. More so for raw coins further pushing people towards coffin coins Quote
PWA 1967 Posted October 31, 2017 Posted October 31, 2017 (edited) As this is an ebay thread it all goes back to if you want something decent / valuable buy it from a dealer.You will eventually come unstuck and any saving you may make on a few will soon be wiped out on the bad one.Ebay serves a purpose and is good for cheap varieties etc but not high value,i use it almost daily ,a few days ago i bought a couple of pennies for £1 without getting out of the chair and does not cost anything to look Edited October 31, 2017 by PWA 1967 Quote
newheart Posted October 31, 2017 Posted October 31, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said: As this is an ebay thread it all goes back to if you want something decent / valuable buy it from a dealer.You will eventually come unstuck and any saving you may make on a few will soon be wiped out on the bad one.Ebay serves a purpose and is good for cheap varieties etc but not high value,i use it almost daily , couple of days ago i bought a couple of pennies for £1 without getting out of the chair and does not cost anything to look I agree. As you say, it would depend on the type of coins being purchased plus the knowledge and caution of the buyer. Personally, I think eBay is the most interesting and educational market to shop in! Buying from a dealer is like buying groceries - no emotional attachment and little challenge. Edited October 31, 2017 by newheart Quote
PWA 1967 Posted October 31, 2017 Posted October 31, 2017 The thing with a dealer is they talk to you and I have learned more from dealers than anything else as they answer questions. Not sure what you mean by little challenge as we are buying a coin does it matter were it comes from if its what you want......maybe if you open the envelope and find out its RT. I mentioned there is nothing wrong with ebay and wish you luck Quote
VickySilver Posted October 31, 2017 Posted October 31, 2017 I have bought an unrecognised proof milled edge 1838 sovereign off eBay for less than 10% what it eventually went for when I resold it.....One of the best coins I ever got. 2 Quote
mrbadexample Posted October 31, 2017 Posted October 31, 2017 Just now, VickySilver said: I have bought an unrecognised proof milled edge 1838 sovereign off eBay for less than 10% what it eventually went for when I resold it.....One of the best coins I ever got. I had been thinking that we should have an "ebay's best offerings" thread. It's not all bad. 4 Quote
Ukstu Posted October 31, 2017 Posted October 31, 2017 eBay is great. Some of my best coins have come via eBay. You can't beat the feeling you get when you pick up an unresearched hammered at a fraction of its cost because it was incorrectly listed and poorly investigated. I've had some that still had soil on them fresh out the ground when they arrived. Hurrah for eBay ? 3 Quote
will1976 Posted October 31, 2017 Posted October 31, 2017 I too have had a few bargains off the bay with regard to unofficial farthings, all comes down to the description and if your prepared to trawl through the crap. A favourite description seems to be 'Victoria token' which can mean any number of things! 2 Quote
newheart Posted October 31, 2017 Posted October 31, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, PWA 1967 said: Not sure what you mean by little challenge as we are buying a coin does it matter were it comes from if its what you want. Hi PWA, If you buy from a dealer the coin has most probably already been identified and graded, and the risk is lower. On eBay there is a lot of unknowns and greater risk but this means you need to do more research, which I enjoy. btw what is "RT"? Edited October 31, 2017 by newheart typo Quote
newheart Posted October 31, 2017 Posted October 31, 2017 27 minutes ago, will1976 said: I too have had a few bargains off the bay with regard to unofficial farthings, all comes down to the description and if your prepared to trawl through the crap. A favourite description seems to be 'Victoria token' which can mean any number of things! Same here Will. I love taking a risk on a blurry token photo - you can get some real crackers! Quote
will1976 Posted October 31, 2017 Posted October 31, 2017 11 minutes ago, newheart said: Same here Will. I love taking a risk on a blurry token photo - you can get some real crackers! Adds to the fun as long as you keep your expectations low! lol Quote
newheart Posted October 31, 2017 Posted October 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, will1976 said: Adds to the fun as long as you keep your expectations low! lol LOL yes - always assume the worst! Quote
declan03 Posted October 31, 2017 Posted October 31, 2017 Lol....i just received the worst today....purchased this one.. https://www.ebay.com/itm/SILVER-1906-EDWARD-VII-shilling-IN-F-GRADE-COIN-A-GOOD-COLLECTORS-ITEM/122773107891?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 And received this monster!! Quote
zookeeperz Posted October 31, 2017 Posted October 31, 2017 1 hour ago, newheart said: LOL yes - always assume the worst! Was how I found my 1934 missing waves Penny That was just awesome AEF cost me £2 . 2 Quote
mrbadexample Posted October 31, 2017 Posted October 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, declan03 said: Lol....i just received the worst today....purchased this one.. https://www.ebay.com/itm/SILVER-1906-EDWARD-VII-shilling-IN-F-GRADE-COIN-A-GOOD-COLLECTORS-ITEM/122773107891?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 And received this monster!! Well that's no issue. Send it back at their expense, not as described. Leave appropriate feedback. 2 Quote
declan03 Posted October 31, 2017 Posted October 31, 2017 Yes, thats what i will do. Although i would rather have had the shilling. Quote
zookeeperz Posted October 31, 2017 Posted October 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, mrbadexample said: Well that's no issue. Send it back at their expense, not as described. Leave appropriate feedback. Different coin the scammer lol Quote
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