1949threepence Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 I've noticed over the last 4 or 5 years, that more and more people are prefacing replies to questions with the word "So", whereas traditionally, it's always been "Well". This was really brought home to me recently when we had a talk at work from someone, and in the Q & A afterwards she used "So" to preface every reply to a question - but conversely, when I listened to an online recording of a similar briefing from the same individual in 2013, she prefaced every reply with "well" or some other word. So it's clearly a deliberate change. Anybody got any theories as to where this has suddenly sprung up from, and why? Also, what do you use? I tend to use "well" as it's what I was brought up with. I do use "so", but as a starter to a topic, rather than a reply to a question, as in "So anyway, I did my shopping this morning, and then had a nice dinner". Maybe many haven't even noticed this, but as someone who is interested in the nuances of language, it's definitely caught my ear, since it started more widely in about 2015. I might start using "well so" as a reply to questions, as a sop to linguistic diversity - see if anybody comments on it ! 4 Quote
Paddy Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 I must admit I find the tendency to start almost every sentence with "So..." rather annoying. If you watch Pointless on BBC 1 (as I do) you will see most of the younger contestants doing it all the time - even those with literary qualifications or occupations. For me it goes in the same category as "very unique" and "very real". 3 Quote
Bronze & Copper Collector Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 Listening to US Presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren starting most of her responses with "so", was one of the most annoying speaking habits to which I've been exposed. I've always felt that the use of "so", or "well", was superfluous and annoying and indicative of poor public speaking training and habit. I've nothing against its occasional use, however it's consistent usage makes it, to me, a point of caricature. 3 Quote
RLC35 Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 3 hours ago, 1949threepence said: I've noticed over the last 4 or 5 years, that more and more people are prefacing replies to questions with the word "So", whereas traditionally, it's always been "Well". This was really brought home to me recently when we had a talk at work from someone, and in the Q & A afterwards she used "So" to preface every reply to a question - but conversely, when I listened to an online recording of a similar briefing from the same individual in 2013, she prefaced every reply with "well" or some other word. So it's clearly a deliberate change. Anybody got any theories as to where this has suddenly sprung up from, and why? Also, what do you use? I tend to use "well" as it's what I was brought up with. I do use "so", but as a starter to a topic, rather than a reply to a question, as in "So anyway, I did my shopping this morning, and then had a nice dinner". Maybe many haven't even noticed this, but as someone who is interested in the nuances of language, it's definitely caught my ear, since it started more widely in about 2015. I might start using "well so" as a reply to questions, as a sop to linguistic diversity - see if anybody comments on it ! I have a lady friend who starts every sentence with "Well anyway", and it drives me crazy. I have mentioned it to her, but she continues......... 2 Quote
secret santa Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 Almost everyone on "The Chase" this week seemed to start every sentence with "So" - I literally exploded with anger (but they managed to so me back up again). 1 Quote
Paddy Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 I assume it is all the latest incarnation of "like" and "you know", and to me indicates a similar lack of literacy. Our modern education system seems to treat any attempt at good grammar or spelling as snobbishness. Is it only in this country that being badly educated, or at least giving that impression, is deemed something of which to be proud? Quote
alfnail Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 When my 3 boys were all teenagers they used to start most of their sentences with 'so'...…….but that was the end of the sentence too! 2 3 Quote
1949threepence Posted February 28, 2020 Author Posted February 28, 2020 54 minutes ago, Paddy said: I assume it is all the latest incarnation of "like" and "you know", and to me indicates a similar lack of literacy. Our modern education system seems to treat any attempt at good grammar or spelling as snobbishness. Is it only in this country that being badly educated, or at least giving that impression, is deemed something of which to be proud? Thing is though, Paddy, it's often very well educated people who are using the word in that way - Doctors, solicitors etc. Quote
Coppers Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 So. I actually feel some sense of relief. All this time, I was thinking that I was the only one who found this incredibly annoying. 2 Quote
jelida Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 2 hours ago, RLC35 said: I have a lady friend who starts every sentence with "Well anyway", and it drives me crazy. Perhaps she’s just concerned about her health. ‘Bit like me every morning, “not dead yet”! Unlikely to be contradicted, until I won’t really care. Apparently the term “so well” has already entered into common parlance across the pond, as in “swell” meaning fantastic! If only Trump was a bit more hip, we’d be hearing that all the time....... Jerry 3 Quote
Danelaw Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 Its on a par with "Can I get a..." for me. Annoys the hell out of me. 2 Quote
Diaconis Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 7 hours ago, RLC35 said: I have a lady friend who starts every sentence with "Well anyway", and it drives me crazy. I have mentioned it to her, but she continues......... I have a lady friend who always starts her sentences with “Hey, are you listening?” Sometimes she even says it twice, bless her. 1 Quote
secret santa Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 30 minutes ago, Diaconis said: I have a lady friend who always starts her sentences with “Hey, are you listening?” Sometimes she even says it twice, bless her. Mine just tells me I'm not listening, although if I know that, then I must be listening............................ 1 4 Quote
secret santa Posted March 1, 2020 Posted March 1, 2020 And what about the awful habit that's crept in of saying "Can I GET a ham sandwich ?" instead of "Can I have a ham sandwich ?". Quote
Bronze & Copper Collector Posted March 1, 2020 Posted March 1, 2020 43 minutes ago, secret santa said: And what about the awful habit that's crept in of saying "Can I GET a ham sandwich ?" instead of "Can I have a ham sandwich ?". Shouldn't it be "May" and not "Can"?? Possibly, in this sense however, "Can" is acceptable, inasmuch as the restaurant may not have all the ingredients in stock. Ergo, you may have a ham sandwich, except for the fact that we don't have all the ingredients. Therefore you can't have one. Quote
secret santa Posted March 1, 2020 Posted March 1, 2020 I agree that "may" is better than "can" but it's the word GET that gets my goat. Quote
1949threepence Posted March 1, 2020 Author Posted March 1, 2020 52 minutes ago, secret santa said: I agree that "may" is better than "can" but it's the word GET that gets my goat. Oooh get you Quote
Bronze & Copper Collector Posted March 1, 2020 Posted March 1, 2020 9 hours ago, secret santa said: I agree that "may" is better than "can" but it's the word GET that gets my goat. Understood... I just have memories of it being drummed into us in school that we CAN have something although we MAY not have it... Quote
Peckris 2 Posted March 1, 2020 Posted March 1, 2020 10 hours ago, Bronze & Copper Collector said: Shouldn't it be "May" and not "Can"?? Possibly, in this sense however, "Can" is acceptable, inasmuch as the restaurant may not have all the ingredients in stock. Ergo, you may have a ham sandwich, except for the fact that we don't have all the ingredients. Therefore you can't have one. Indeed. "Can you pass the salt?" should always elicit the reply "Yes", but no actual salt appears.. 😄 And I also find the beginning of replies with "So" incredibly annoying. So (!) many Pointless contestants do it. 1 Quote
1949threepence Posted March 1, 2020 Author Posted March 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, Peckris 2 said: Indeed. "Can you pass the salt?" should always elicit the reply "Yes", but no actual salt appears.. 😄 And I also find the beginning of replies with "So" incredibly annoying. So (!) many Pointless contestants do it. As in, yes, to answer your question, I'm physically capable of passing the salt. If you actually want me to do so, you have to say the magic word. 1 Quote
Bronze & Copper Collector Posted March 2, 2020 Posted March 2, 2020 Much on the same context.. Someone asks you if you have the time. You look at your watch and say yes. They never asked for the time, although it is implied that they were looking for the current time . So many instances of idiom and implied, versus literal.... Quote
blakeyboy Posted March 2, 2020 Posted March 2, 2020 On 3/1/2020 at 11:22 AM, secret santa said: And what about the awful habit that's crept in of saying "Can I GET a ham sandwich ?" instead of "Can I have a ham sandwich ?". I was in a cafe and asked "Can I get a ham sandwich?" There was quite a negative reaction to this, so i said " May I have a ham sandwich?". Still uproar. I can't believe that the people in that cafe were so incensed about what I said. It doesn't matter- I'm not planning to go back to Karachi anyway.... 1 2 Quote
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