1949threepence Posted April 22, 2017 Posted April 22, 2017 (edited) Interesting. Never seen that before, Cliff. As Terry says though, there's probably many more varieties to be discovered yet, particularly among those first few hectic years of bronze production. Reading Michael Gouby's book on the 1860 to 1869 period, it does appear that James Watt was not terribly efficient, especially at first, and I do wonder if some of the deviations from "norm", that we see, are due in part to working at high speed, cutting corners and an "anything goes" attitude in order to meet production targets. If that meant carelessly repaired dies, or a wonky 1 in the date, then that was a small price to pay as far as they were concerned. With that said, he does seem to think that the scarcer varieties of 1861, which also contain flaws, as we know, were produced exclusively by the Royal MInt, as reverse dies were tested, against various obverses, prior to obverse 6 and reverse G being the accepted standard. That's not to say Gouby is definitively correct, however. After all this time, there has to be an element of speculation and inspired guesswork. I think they should have stuck with reverse F. There's something oddly attractive about it, in my opinion. Edited April 22, 2017 by 1949threepence added a bit for context Quote
terrysoldpennies Posted April 22, 2017 Posted April 22, 2017 Here's another. Rotated I in VICTORIA 1862 Terry Quote
secret santa Posted April 22, 2017 Posted April 22, 2017 1 hour ago, 1949threepence said: I think they should have stuck with reverse F. There's something oddly attractive about it, in my opinion. Far and away my favourite Viccie reverse Quote
1949threepence Posted April 22, 2017 Posted April 22, 2017 4 hours ago, secret santa said: Far and away my favourite Viccie reverse Mine too, Richard. Quote
Paulus Posted April 23, 2017 Author Posted April 23, 2017 1891 Keeper acquired, old CGS pics I will try and post better! Loving the definition in the shield! 7 Quote
Michael-Roo Posted April 24, 2017 Posted April 24, 2017 11 hours ago, Paulus said: 1891 Keeper acquired, old CGS pics I will try and post better! Loving the definition in the shield! We've had the image of Jesus in a slice of toast so why not Satan on a penny….. Quote
DaveG38 Posted April 24, 2017 Posted April 24, 2017 41 minutes ago, Michael-Roo said: We've had the image of Jesus in a slice of toast so why not Satan on a penny….. Vampire going for Victoria's neck, more like. Quote
Guest Guest Posted April 24, 2017 Posted April 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, DaveG38 said: Vampire going for Victoria's neck, more like. Do vampires have horns? 1 Quote
DaveG38 Posted April 24, 2017 Posted April 24, 2017 24 minutes ago, Guest Guest said: Do vampires have horns? My missus does! Oooops shouldn't have said that. 1 Quote
RLC35 Posted April 24, 2017 Posted April 24, 2017 4 hours ago, DaveG38 said: My missus does! Oooops shouldn't have said that. I think it is just a "Hickey" (tender bite) from Prince Albert! Quote
DaveG38 Posted April 24, 2017 Posted April 24, 2017 59 minutes ago, RLC35 said: I think it is just a "Hickey" (tender bite) from Prince Albert! Not in 1891. Albert died in 1861. I guess he might have stuck around as a vampire. 1 Quote
RLC35 Posted April 24, 2017 Posted April 24, 2017 42 minutes ago, DaveG38 said: Not in 1891. Albert died in 1861. I guess he might have stuck around as a vampire. I got caught on that one...never paid any attention to the date! LOL... 1 Quote
1949threepence Posted April 24, 2017 Posted April 24, 2017 9 hours ago, Michael-Roo said: We've had the image of Jesus in a slice of toast so why not Satan on a penny….. An example of Pareidolia. You don't get that many on coins. Quote
Stuntman Posted April 24, 2017 Posted April 24, 2017 I had to google what Pareidolia meant! Thanks for adding to my vocabulary! 1 Quote
jelida Posted April 29, 2017 Posted April 29, 2017 My first significant additions for a month or more, the 1875 was a steal at 99p, well, despite its condition, it is a 'cannonball' flaw and seems to be collectable. The 1881 F106 is slabbed at AU55 by NGC and is nicer in the hand than the photo, it has nice surfaces and overall hint of 'chocolate' subdued lustre in the right light. It cost me about £80 inc postage. Jerry 3 Quote
mick1271 Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 Havn't seen the cannonball flaw before .Does it appear in any reference books ? Quote
PWA 1967 Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 10 minutes ago, mick1271 said: Havn't seen the cannonball flaw before .Does it appear in any reference books ? Gouby BP1875Ce. 1 Quote
mick1271 Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 Many thanks ,I have been using Freemans for years and got a copy of Groom's a few months ago .looks like I will need to get Michael Goubys now . Quote
secret santa Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 I've added your coin to my rarest pennies website as the 3rd example - hope that's OK, Jerry. 1 Quote
jelida Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 54 minutes ago, secret santa said: I've added your coin to my rarest pennies website as the 3rd example - hope that's OK, Jerry. No problem, nice to see it there. Is Gouby's original coin one of those featured? Jerry Quote
secret santa Posted April 30, 2017 Posted April 30, 2017 3 hours ago, jelida said: No problem, nice to see it there. Is Gouby's original coin one of those featured? No - I don't think a scan from his book will transfer very effectively Quote
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