Coinery Posted September 4, 2017 Posted September 4, 2017 (edited) Just wow! £450-550 estimate, and described as near Very Fine! Yes, a 1a, but a horrible coin, and no mention of the stress crease/cracks on the reverse from a previous bend! Argh! Can't upload image! Will try below! Edited September 4, 2017 by Coinery Quote
Coinery Posted September 4, 2017 Author Posted September 4, 2017 (edited) Do expand the image...it's shocking up close and personal! Just as a point of interest, this is the same image I couldn't post earlier! Edited September 4, 2017 by Coinery Quote
1949threepence Posted September 4, 2017 Posted September 4, 2017 Well I'm certainly no expert on hammered coins, but if that's NVF, I'm a Dutchman. Quote
craigy Posted September 4, 2017 Posted September 4, 2017 3 hours ago, Coinery said: Do expand the image...it's shocking up close and personal! Just as a point of interest, this is the same image I couldn't post earlier! the picture thing is bloody annoying Quote
craigy Posted September 4, 2017 Posted September 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, 1949threepence said: Well I'm certainly no expert on hammered coins, but if that's NVF, I'm a Dutchman. obviously a detector find, and been straightened Quote
copper123 Posted September 4, 2017 Posted September 4, 2017 Its a nice clear portrait but the rest of the coin I would struggle to call much better than fine TBH Quote
Ukstu Posted September 4, 2017 Posted September 4, 2017 Some mug will buy it as it's Baldwin's. This is why I don't buy from these big name dealers. Rubbish at inflated prices!. Quote
Paulus Posted September 4, 2017 Posted September 4, 2017 Out of interest, does anyone know if the graders at the big dealers and auction houses stay relatively unchanged for a number of years, and whether they are well-known and respected in the industry? Is Neil now grading for Baldwins as he used to for Colin Cooke? The only grader I know personally is the chief grader at London Coins ... Quote
jaggy Posted September 4, 2017 Posted September 4, 2017 From time to time I go back and look at the Baldwins offers and I am usually disappointed. Quote
Coinery Posted September 4, 2017 Author Posted September 4, 2017 Apart from its massive grade failing, it's also encrusted, corroded, previously creased, scoured, and totally uninspiring as a coin. most of the class 1 coins I've seen so far have mostly been full-round and well and centrally struck, and mostly they generally seem to wear evenly, leaving a mostly clear and eye-pleasing coin, so it's not unusual or a stand-out example in that respect either! It could barely handle any other problems without being delegated to gap filler. It's a hammer price I'll be very much interested in. 1 Quote
Coinery Posted September 4, 2017 Author Posted September 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Paulus said: Out of interest, does anyone know if the graders at the big dealers and auction houses stay relatively unchanged for a number of years, and whether they are well-known and respected in the industry? Is Neil now grading for Baldwins as he used to for Colin Cooke? The only grader I know personally is the chief grader at London Coins ... I'm guessing Rob would know? Would be interesting to hear Neil's thoughts on the grade for this one, especially if the grade were to include the issues, as seems fashionable nowadays. Quote
Michael-Roo Posted September 4, 2017 Posted September 4, 2017 Much the same as you Stuart, 'don't be ridiculous' was my first thought on seeing those photos. Quote
NRP Posted September 27, 2017 Posted September 27, 2017 On 04/09/2017 at 11:39 PM, Coinery said: I'm guessing Rob would know? Would be interesting to hear Neil's thoughts on the grade for this one, especially if the grade were to include the issues, as seems fashionable nowadays. It's been a while since I posted on here and meant to come on months ago!!! This I'm guessing was an auction lot for one of our sales last week? I don't do any of the grading or cataloguing for the auctions, consultants are used. I do the grading on the retail side, though any coins on the website which were there before I started were done by the old team. 5 Quote
secret santa Posted October 7, 2017 Posted October 7, 2017 I believe that Michael Gouby helps with the cataloguing of bronze coins for Baldwins, for example. 1 Quote
Descartes Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 On 9/4/2017 at 6:54 PM, Coinery said: Just wow! £450-550 estimate, and described as near Very Fine! Yes, a 1a, but a horrible coin, and no mention of the stress crease/cracks on the reverse from a previous bend! Argh! Can't upload image! Will try below! Crazy to think it went for 700 GBP hammer price + costs! Quote
Unwilling Numismatist Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 O.o 700!!! I think I might have to look at what I have sitting around here! Quote
Coinery Posted October 8, 2017 Author Posted October 8, 2017 5 hours ago, Descartes said: Crazy to think it went for 700 GBP hammer price + costs! Totally nuts! Can hardly believe it! 1 Quote
Michael-Roo Posted October 8, 2017 Posted October 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Coinery said: Totally nuts! Can hardly believe it! Astonishing. Quote
Coinery Posted October 8, 2017 Author Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) Grrr, can't upload the cropped close-up! Nice coin though! Edit: I can now upload! ? Edited October 8, 2017 by Coinery 1 Quote
Descartes Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 19 hours ago, Coinery said: This 1c surprised me too! Blimey! That does seem a little excessive ...I'm sorry but I wouldn't have paid over 200 quid for that specific coin. 1 Quote
Matteo95 Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 in my opinion 271£ for the coin above is in proportion more expensive than the first coin of this discussion ... that I don't think is too bad this one for example was sold by Spink in September 2014 for 450 + rights Quote
Coinery Posted October 9, 2017 Author Posted October 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Matteo95 said: in my opinion 271£ for the coin above is in proportion more expensive than the first coin of this discussion ... that I don't think is too bad this one for example was sold by Spink in September 2014 for 450 + rights That gives it some perspective I guess? Still far too much money for ugly coins, 1a or not! It's looking like a worthy example is going to sail way over £1.5k according to these two previous examples? 1 Quote
Coinery Posted October 9, 2017 Author Posted October 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Descartes said: Blimey! That does seem a little excessive ...I'm sorry but I wouldn't have paid over 200 quid for that specific coin. I can only guess that the buyer desperately needed a 1c for the collection? there does seem to be a rise in the prices for quality Plantagenet coins? I might've joined the party too late. Back to G6 it is, then! ? 1 Quote
Rob Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, Coinery said: I can only guess that the buyer desperately needed a 1c for the collection? there does seem to be a rise in the prices for quality Plantagenet coins? I might've joined the party too late. Back to G6 it is, then! ? Why don't you look at 10th century pennies from EdE to Ae2? They don't seem too hot at the moment and there is plenty of scope for discoveries to be made. 1 Quote
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