bhx7 Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 Hi AllJust got a nice 1902 Low Tide Penny, the wife actually allowed me to spend a little more than normal as a treat. I am a very lucky boy!!When I was putting it into a coin capsule I noticed a raised section under the top of the 0 in the date. Is this normal?I have added a few pics of the coin, not very good pics, but hopefully you will see what I mean.ThanksBrian Quote
Rob Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 Just a bit of metal flaked off the die at the edge of the 0. An example of the endless possibilities for die degradation. This is one area where the variety specialists need to take a cold shower. Quote
bhx7 Posted October 20, 2015 Author Posted October 20, 2015 The reason I asked is that the raised section under the "0" is very straight. Surely if it had been a flake it would be less uniform. You could be right but always worth an ask to get other opinion's.Always keeping my fingers crossed that I may find something new and interesting Quote
Rob Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 A piece breaking off can be any shape, including those that can resemble a letter or other characters. There are no rules when it comes to breakage, which is why it is important to seriously question any claim for overdates, legend errors etc. Some dies have always chipped with use over time. Quote
bhx7 Posted October 20, 2015 Author Posted October 20, 2015 I like to research things before I jump in which is why I asked the question. I have just been looking at as many 1902 LT pennies as I could find. Out of about 60+ I found online I have found 3 others with the very same anomaly. As you say it is probably just a die break, but interesting! Quote
VickySilver Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 OK, Rob you have me laughing over that bit about showers as I am of the same opinion. There was one collector who shall remain nameless that collected SOVEREIGNS by die state (and die number!!).... Quote
PWA 1967 Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 It is a recognised variety Brian and your figures are spot on.CGS have slabbed 70 normal and 2 like yours have a look on the site. 1 Quote
bhx7 Posted October 20, 2015 Author Posted October 20, 2015 Thanks Pete, totally appreciate that Quote
Rob Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 This is one area that will never reach a consensus. I'm firmly in the 'varieties are design differences or errors' category. I specifically exclude claimed varieties that result from normal die use. This information has a place in a die study, but if every minute change is considered a discrete variety, then the number of varieties is theoretically infinite and tempered only by the number of coins extant. On this basis, even a 1933 penny with a population you can count on your fingers has the same number of varieties. Quote
Garrett Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Nice penny.As for the rest, I'll leave you to it. Quote
PWA 1967 Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Yes i wont be going out of my way to look for one .But why Brian already has it saves him looking for any more information about them. Quote
Nordle11 Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Well put Pete.I think he mainly wanted to know if anyone else had recognised that this has occured on more than one coin, which they have.Anyway, it's a nice low tide Brian! Quote
Gary1000 Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Yes nice coin, now all you need to find now is the wide 2 variety Quote
Nordle11 Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Yes nice coin, now all you need to find now is the wide 2 varietyWhaaaat... Do you have a comparison pic? I've not heard of the wide 2 1902 before Quote
secret santa Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 On the subject of 1902 (high tide) pennies, has anyone else noticed that the E in PENNY can have either a flat foot or a curved foot ? See thumbnails. 1 Quote
Nordle11 Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 @Rash - Could it not just be die deterioration causing this? The second picture being an earlier strike on the same die. Quote
secret santa Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 The E of ONE tends to be the same as the E in PENNY so I think it may be a different die but who knows ? (And before you say it, Rob, who cares !) Quote
Nordle11 Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 The E of ONE tends to be the same as the E in PENNY so I think it may be a different die but who knows ? (And before you say it, Rob, who cares !)Still, a good point well made. Quote
bhx7 Posted October 21, 2015 Author Posted October 21, 2015 Very interesting. All of mine are curved. Will bust out my other low level spares and see what I can find amongst them. Quote
bhx7 Posted October 21, 2015 Author Posted October 21, 2015 Just checked all my 1902 pennies, 27 in total ranging from good to unc. all are curved. Quote
secret santa Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Looks like I might have a rarity !!!!! 1 Quote
jelida Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Got one, I think, my other is curved. But its not a difference I would go hunting for. Not like having extra teeth! Jerry Quote
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