PWA 1967

Unless the cleaning is blatantly obvious its going to be an opinion and what i might think is cleaned someone else not and vice-versa. The more people think it is cleaned the less buyers you will have when you come to re-sell it and if a dealer thinks it is cleaned then not going to offer as much ,if anything at all for one single coin.Auctioneers will often let the buyers decide(buyers opinion ) and why Erics point of getting a second opinion from someone who can see it in hand is so important ,especially if its a coin thats going to cost a few quid.You dont want to pay a lot for something that others may not agree with in the future. There are thousands of coins bought and sold every year that SOME people may think are cleaned or alternatively not (especially from a picture ) ,thousands of coins are rejected by a TPG because there opinion was the coin was cleaned ,i am sure most if not all are (broken out) in someones collection and the buyer happy. Make your own opinion by learning the tell tale signs is important ,let someone else look at in hand or just leave it alone if you cant form your own opinion before spending good money at auction. Auctions though such as the DNW one mentioned i take my hat off too ,as they have a strong opinion that the coin / coins are cleaned and if you buy them and then not happy its your own daft fault. I would bet money that almost everyone IMO 😀 has a cleaned coin in there pre-decimal collection which wont make much difference to the value ,but if you dont learn the signs it could be easy to have a boxfull that a high percentage of buyers dont want due to a different opinion. My opinion only 😀

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Talking to Neil a few years ago i dont think it was in the same box as Colin would of bought them all if he had known and was purchased years ago .I was told there was 220 Half Pennies and 25 / 30 Farthings ,although i dont know if thats before the seller sold some at Wakefield a few years ago or after , of which i and quite a lot of forum members bought some ,some were better than others but the majority BU.

Its was grade CGS 65 GEF which was the highest graded of the 9 they had done and the best one i found while looking , the buyer told me the best he had seen. Although like most ,you never know what someone may have hidden away 😃

No real problem Pete IMO and had it slabbed ,suppose it was open to opinion but more overlapping rather than damage in hand.

Fortunately they know where they sent it Mike or whats happened to it ,so sure you will receive it soon. A good buy though if its a decent grade ,one i had (sold now ) was from the Alderley collection and when i was looking you dont see many 👍

Many thanks to a couple of forum members who helped me with the Gouby stages on this F15 i found last week NOT attributed. They were initially doing my head in looking at the Gouby book ..........However i now understand them properly. Thank you 👍

One i found recently NOT attributed BP1860JA in a decent grade. N over sideways N (Z)

https://www.baldwin.co.uk/news/to-slab-or-not-to-slab-that-is-the-question/ Another from Baldwin , Anti - Slabbers please tick the box 😀 Notice how they have changed the Capital letters ....Just for you Jon 👍

I bought this at the weekend with some other bits , i know not many are interested in them on here but a bit unusual.

On the subject of 1860 Copper penny ,i know i dealer who has just got one for sale that i believe is really nice with lustre ,although i have not seen it in hand. It is not available on a website or list yet ,but if anyone is interested please PM me and will pass on the details.

I think they DID go into circulation if the mintage figure is correct as if not you would find more in high grade ,more than we see would of been kept or put away. If they did enter circulation then the mintage being so low ,they have been lost ,scrapped or are in collections in different grades like any other year. 30,000 is nothing and not many people even in 1860 would of even seen one ,however its a high mintage for a non circulation coin. Possibly the 1859 die was used for the 1860 ,rather than just thrown away , just to add a few more as it was already worn (1859 ) and the bronze die being made.

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All the ones in packets had no denomination ,so been taken out.

You are correct Bob its not an open 3 both the top and bottom are not right and just a normal one.

The one on the left was RAW and not slabbed Bob ,the one on the right was in a CGS slab and yes the variety was on the label.

Another to show how slabbing high grade coins can help them sell at a premium rather than just people going off a photograph. A couple of nice 1909 Dot have recently been put on the forum and are scarce in grades of better than fine. Both coins were sold in the public domain ,so happy to share them with the coin on the left selling at LCA and the coin on the right sold on a dealers website for £1500. Both coins when i sent pictures of both sides to people they thought would sell in the £300 / £500 range which i also thought was about right if the coin on the right was raw. The coin on the right sold almost straight away and had a couple of offers ,with one person who missed it telling the dealer they would of paid more. I have sold all the ones i wanted to sell ,so makes know difference to me anymore as dont collect ,however anyone considering selling anything that is mint or high grade for type ,maybe its worth considering slabbing them whether you like the idea or not. Buying and grading off pictures is not ideal ,especially if the photos are as bad as mine 😃

The N in ONE Gary ,both of the uprights is to a gap and another indicator ?

I am an Alchoholic although not had a drink at all for over four years ,i have never had a pint in one of those dimple things but have probably drank out of everyother glass in the picture. I think that dimple one is maybe an old mans glass 😃

I bought this in a collection a couple of weeks ago and not the best picture,about as good a strike as you could find on a George V penny.

They are really hard to find Mike especially with lustre and i have looked and bought a lot over about seven years.This was one of the best ones i bought thats UNC and very lightly MT and are so hard to find its one i kept when i sold a lot of other types.

Not a penny but a book. The British Numismatic Journal Volume 81 2011. Hardback and approx 400pp in like new condition ,the book has numerous studies ,articles etc and happy to mail the details if anyone is interested or take a picture of the contents page just PM me. It does have a 22 page study though that is penny related.....Written by R.J.Pearce.😀 A study of the "Weyl " pattern pennies ,halfpennies and farthings dated 1860 and 1887. Quite big and heavy ,so will cost me a few pound to post. £20 Posted . Pete.

It was a really good buy for £30 👍 They are really hard to find in high grade , one sold slabbed for a premium at LCA graded CGS Choice UNC 82 for £280. My own was graded by NGC MS65 and then graded by CGS 85 which is a really high grade and the picture not doing it justice. I Sold it privately ,but was for a lot more than the one graded 82.

Thanks Mike A perfect example of a picture of a coin and what i was trying to explain and the benefits of sometimes having a coin slabbed to sell it. I am not suggesting anyone pays high prices for slabbed coins , just the fact that if you can sell them for more by spending an extra £20 or so it can often be worth it. As you have the coin in hand and you can grade properley what grade is it please and can i assume its problem free ? I will leave a wide grading scale as obviously reflects the possible resale value if it was slabbed......... GEF , AUNC ,UNC, CHOICE UNC ,BU ? Thanks again. Pete.

Yes ,not every coin is going to have a premium just because its in plastic or else everyone would be slabbing them to sell. I am on about ones graded really high MS65 or CGS 82/ 85 ,in other words bronze pennies that are BU and problem free.