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Further to the above, I have a couple of 1861 pennies (F29 & F33) where the G of D:G: has been badly repaired (rotated) with both a "curved" and a "straighter" G punch so either of these could have been used to produce the VIGTORIA error.

It's a "No" from me..............

Yes, I understood that and was just demonstrating that they're curved on my examples.😉

On my proof and circulation 1862 pennies, the usual G is very definitely curved.

The working die wouldn't have been created with a G in VICTORIA and therefore it must have been caused by manual intervention. London Coins note that the rogue "G" is of a slightly different format to the other proper "G"s (in D:G: and REG) and Michael Gouby suggests that it might have been caused accidentally through an intended die repair to the "G" of REG being carried out by a repairer forgetting that a "G" on the right of the incuse die will actually affect the left side of the struck coin, and inadvertently "repairing" with a "G" punch the "C" of VICTORIA instead which is on the right side of the die diametrically opposite the "G" of REG. Anyway, the error must have been spotted quite quickly given the restricted numbers of affected coins that reached circulation, as demonstrated by the fact that only 10 surviving examples have so far been recorded out of huge numbers of 1862 pennies.

Just wear or damage. Definitely a G.

The above screenshot shows that I submitted a bid 2 seconds before the auction ended at 1:58 (I think I actually submitted it more like 20 seconds before the end) but was then able to enter another bid at 38 seconds after 1:58. This may suggest that the auction ends after 1:58 and 59 seconds but I have seen an auction continue beyond the minute after the end time.

Yes, ended on Wednesday.

Managed, at last, to get a VIGTORIA:

Yes, my experiences range from 20-30 seconds to 3-4 minutes. At one point it says that auction is closed and then mysteriously continues running for a while. It never used to be like that, i.e I've only noticed it in the last 2 or 3 months.

Desktop PC

I've noticed recently that my customary process of submitting my bid and confirming with less than 10 seconds to go mysteriously brings up another few minutes of bidding. Has anyone else noticed this and can they explain how and why it works like this ?

Mike, I'll add this to the rarest pennies site - can you supply links ?

I hope it wasn't tragic - he was suicidal for a while after his wife died.

And Seaman Staines.

But there was always the dark side.......remember Nogbad the Bad !

Bookshop display with a sense of humour:

Absolutely, auction houses nowadays don't seem to value it or think that buyers might be interested. The 1933 penny is the only example that I can think of that attracts that level of information, but it is a bit special.

I'd like to see the before/after pics, please.

It looks more like Donald Campbell in Bluebird to me.

That link works fine for me. Clicking on the > at the bottom of the page moves to the next page.

Welcome to the Forum. As a copper & bronze man, you may find my websites of interest.

Probably Groucho Marx who famously said that he didn't want to be part of any club that would accept him as a member !

I emailed him to let him know we remember him and got this reply: "Hi Richard, Happy New year to you too. Having sold the bulk of my collection, I'm really not involved in the collection of pennies any longer so haven't visited pre-decimal forum. If anyone has a specific enquiry or question about a coin I sold, then I'd be pleased to help though. Happy collecting! Best wishes, Steve"