Bronze & Copper Collector

Across the pond we would say that that makes no cents....

Or get rid of cable television and go back to rabbit ears....

These puns are getting to be a rabbit with me..

Can't we just leaf it be???

I had listed some lots of Halfpennies and pennies, identified by Freeman numbers and ebays' bots kicked it out as using numerical grading..... I had to change it from F number to Freeman number to get it to list....

There are times that it looks like an obverse 6 too.... You have the coin in hand so I'll defer to your assessment. Images can be deceptive even with no deception intended....

Image looks like a 7 & G, F-282.. Can't be sure unless it's in hand

Technically, by ebay policy, this listing should not be allowed, inasmuch as it is being listed with a numeric grade not assigned by an officially recognized grading service. Number two, without having the references handy, I believe a Poor-1 needs to be identifiable to some minimal degree. This coin does not fit that description .... That being said, I can appreciate the humor of the listing, as I have similarly had "world's worst coins" listed in the distant past....

Magnificent acquisition Richsrd... Congratulations. ...

That's always the final determinant Richard, and I erred in reading it as "inverted V instead of A".. That being said, I distinctly see a crossbar so, my amended observation is, it is not an inverted V for A, although there is a possibility that it could be an inverted V over A, reinforcing the A. A close examination with coin in hand would be the determining factor.

Looks like a normal A with a weak crossbar.... I've seen many like that...

I should have added: "Nor could I afford it..."

So would I. However, inasmuch as I only collect circulation strikes and do not actively pursue proofs nor patterns, I'm not losing any sleep over it.

Enjoy!

I guess I was being redundant. As you stated, incorrect image. But the coin in question is correct...

Incorrect image.. so definitely NOT an F-164a

I concur completely with your assessment. Obverse 2, reverse G, F-20

That would make sense....... Equality for ALL buyers, in a open free marketplace. High bid takes it, everyone pays the SAME premium. As for selling, you can negotiate the sellers premium as it would only affect the seller and the auction house, essentially a private transaction.

Any business will try to make the most profit that they can. Where will it stop though. It reminds me of the proverbial camel. It sticks his head in the tent to see you and before you know it he has got the whole tent, and you are on the outside looking at him....

Wrong spot for the obverse opening....

I would say P of PENNY to a tooth.... As stated by many, lighting, angle, etc all conspire to confuse....... it's happened many times to me..... sometimes I'll vacillate for days, counting denticles, checking leaves, other key points, etc. And still I might not be overly confident in my final assessment . To be perfectly candid, sometimes you can never be sure without the coin in hand. ..

Used to be, now portrayed by Donald Trump....

I thought there had been a relationship. If you were on ebay, you could submit coins to ngc without joining any membership plan.... I know that I have submitted to ngc as an ebay member..... been awhile, but I vaguely remember being issued a number. .....

Crazy seems somewhat inadequate; but your point is well taken. Idiotic, asinine, lunacy, senseless, brainless, irrational, illogical, absurd, ludicrous, ridiculous, etc, might be better. However the English language is insufficiently populated with words that might be considered adequate to describe that gobbledygook translation of the description.

As with everything, there is the good and there is the bad (and sometimes it gets ugly [sorry, I couldn't resist]). You could change coin seller with any other type of seller and the analogy is still valid. Please note that I use the term "seller" and not "dealer" inasmuch as, at least to me, they mean something different. By my definition a dealer, (in anything), is someone who earns his living by marketing and selling a specific genre of item AND has some sort of professional status and respectability. A seller is someone who has no professional status and is a casual purveyor of whatever he/she purports to sell. Specifically as an example, speaking for myself, regarding coin dealers and admittedly applicable to other products, there are professionals whom I would trust implicitly on their word alone as to a description or authenticity. There are others I have so little confidence in, I wouldn't trust them if I examined the item myself in hand. Some of these dealers do not even have a presence on ebay. I'm sure that most of you have had experiences that you can apply these ruminations to. Ebay, being a vast wasteland, has become a haven for charlatans, snake oil peddlers, and others of that ilk. Ebay, being a vast worldwide marketing venue is also home to some of the most respectable, honest, and classy people that I have come to know. Essentially it is a world within a world with its own broad spectrum of inhabitants. Unfortunately there is a miniscule amount of monitoring of sellers by ebay except where it affects their business model. It takes much effort on the part of potential buyers to convince ebay that an issue needs to be addressed, and more often than not, their actions are sadly inadequate and insufficient. When all is said and done, however, class and honesty will rise to the top and as a result will bring repeat sales, which is the foundation and cornerstone (keystone) of a successful business. The fact that any business, whether online (by itself or part of a larger market venue) survives for a significant length of time is and of itself a testament to its integrity and that of its management. Ebay survives because 8t is a worldwide venue that still has good sellers on it that draw repeat business despite the bad sellers that draw the ire and complaints of buyers. There is that old adage, "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me". You just don't buy from them again. This diatribe is not focusing, accusing, or targeting any individual or business. It is merely an observation and commentary of the way things are. Simplistically, you can't have good without evil, nor can you have evil without good. They are the yin and yang of life.