Citizen H

These 3 I found recently amongst Hammered Penny, Shillings & others all together, So dealing them as groups will speed things up, The 1572 Elizabeth, Mint Ermine although I thought it was 1571 when I first looked at it.

I'm now looking into the actual grade of my coins as a few of my recent shown coins are really in quite good condition (apart from the Hammered Coins). I found with the 3 pence I had 6 of the same date, I was able to compare all and reject the obvious and work down to the best example of the lot, what I recently read.......a opinion of others can be a useful leveller, I believed that Fine would have been a near perfect coin........ Coin Grading UK Going from the lowest grade to the highest the coin grading system in the UK is as follows: Poor (P) – extremely worn and most of the details will be missing but you will still be able to identify the coin as to type. Fair (FR) – A grade where the coin has seen much wear and it is only just discernible what the coin is. Collectors usually stay away from this grade unless the coin or note is especially rare or expensive. Good (G) – A grade which denotes a considerable amount of wear. The coin is discernible but the lettering may not be clearly visible. Very Good (VG) – A grade where the coin has experienced a lot of wear and where the details are still discernible but worn. Fine (F) – A grade when the coin or note has seen considerable wear but is still very collectable. Many collectors like a used coin because they feel that it has actually been somewhere. Collectors on a budget also like this grade. Very Fine (VF) – A grade of coin where there has been obvious but relatively restricted wear on the highest portions of the coin. Extremely Fine (EF) – A grade where there is little actual wear except on the high points. On copper and bronze, original lustre might well still be in evidence. A most appealing and attractive grade, much undervalued by the marketplace in its seeking of the ultimate perfection. About Uncirculated (AU) – A grade which is designated as About Uncirculated. Uncirculated (Unc) – A grade which indicates that a coin has never been released into circulation. Although a coin may be less than perfect when struck, with scratches and nicks, that does not mean that it is not Uncirculated. Over the years a coin may tone or a copper coin may change from bright to dark, again this does not mean that it is not Uncirculated. The term literally means a coin which has not seen circulation Brilliant Uncirculated (Brilliant Unc) – On copper and bronze coins it means bright and shiny just as they came from the mint. On silver coins, it means with little or no toning, perhaps the middle coins from a roll where the outer coins have toned. Choice Uncirculated (Choice Unc) – A coin is Uncirculated if it has never been in circulation and is without wear. But due to the vagaries of how coins are struck, how the dies were made and how the coins were treated after striking, there are different grades of Uncirculated. Choice Uncirculated is better than a normal Uncirculated coin with far fewer bag marks and is well struck with full and uninterrupted lustre. Gem Uncirculated (Gem Unc) – A grade of a coin struck for circulation. We consider this to be the highest grade that a coin can achieve. There must be full and outstanding lustre, an exceptional strike, no nicks and only the smallest bag marks discernible under a strong glass. This quality is harder to achieve in larger sized coins than in smaller sized ones. Fewer than 2% of all Uncirculated coins can be called Gem. Mint State(MS) – As a grading term, it refers to the highest grading a coin can have. It is also referred to as FDC. Fleur de Coin (FDC) – A French term which translates as `flower of the die' and means Uncirculated. This term was used far more when coins were either mint or used. Today we use the term to represent a full mint state coin in impeccable condition (perfect Uncirculated of at least choice quality). Used far more on the Continent than in Great Britain today. Proof – In this country proof is a method of striking and not a condition. A proof coin is struck most carefully with polished dies and a polished flan. It will be struck more than once to get the high relief to show all the fine details. Sometimes you will get a lead piece with half of a coin, this is done to proof the die before striking. Be careful about grading and until you learn how to grade yourself, Ok message understood.........🫡

so I got to speak with a coin curator at a museum. Ive been told....... “It is a coin of the city of Lubeck, 1667, in the Holy Roman Empire. The free cities often used the imperial eagle symbol of the emperor on their coins. The '192' indicates it as a 192th part of a thaler, so a small denomination.” Gosh! it amazing that it was being able to date... 🙏

Just been confirmed ........ It's a penny of Edward IV's Irish issues, Light 'cross and Pellets' Coinage, c.1473-8, Dublin mint. These are tricky things, as they are struck on small flans with much of the legend missing - so not actually clipped. But you can read the bottom of the letters DVB for Dublin on the reverse, so it is actually one of the better ones.” 👍

Victoria Double Florin 1887 George III Half Crown 1st portrait 1816 fine details, but shame that there's dings to Victoria face, .......... 😒

another 2 coins worth showing in a respectable condition.... George V Half Crown 1914 Victoria One Florin 1864 1st portrait (Gothic) any ideas of the Grade these would be ?

one florins Victoria 1887 2nd portrait , nice condition considering some of the finds I have. George V 1st Issue, 2 x 1912, 1 x 1916

after sifting through some more boxes I found this Half Crown....I didnt realise I had it..... looking further in to its details this one has a slightly different Shield, I believe this is 1st Bust, 1st Shield, A remarkable find amongst my hoard, it was a reminder of the one Paddy showed me. 👍

William IIII Four Pence Fault, So.... another attempt to find a mint fault coin amongst the hoard.... does this have the mint fault status ? I first spotted the lumps on the reverse and the obverse I noted the other areas..... the No 7 has bled into the edge....this may have been during circulation ? let me know what you think's happened......cheers "H"

Interesting....it seems odd enough for me to keep, the indent side has a shallow and thins to the edge, there seems more material on the lump side than would be needed to fill the shallow area, no vice area marked either sides, so .........still thinking its a manufacture mishap? many thanks for the input, I will be also adding a Four Pence coin that has lumps, I do appreciate the interest and input received 👍 Rgds "H"

It looks like a blob of silver solder on the reverse until you look at the obverse and the edge, in one of the photos you can see where the oak wreath has stamped into side of the fault Struck for colonial use in Ceylon....... was this down to a mint failure ? I cant see any other reason... a fascinating find for me, happy to own this sort of oddity's 🤔

aha... I think this is possibly the same coin that jacobvs has , the crown looks the same although the reverse is different. Irish???? I'm none the wiser but interesting to find a similar coin, all the best "H"

After a time of reading and trying to be as correct as possible... Is this James I, 2nd coinage, 1604-1619, Mint Mark...? in the top left of the photo, Is this a Key? any suggestions welcome..... many thanks 🙏

hello, I'm not qualified however I did read recently about grease being in the die forcing metal out, ..... in your picture, along side the deformed 9 there looks like a residue of metal.... worth a thought...🤔

hello Bruce. many thanks for the input... can you elaborate more in regards to with 2nd I in BRITANNIAR to gap. I'm not sure what this means, many thanks "H"

Amazing, I really tried with the letter but they just blurred as time past last night, Edward and London I can now see now...... sort of, it also helps as 11a would be 1310-1314, Its important that I keep all these details as I can see in the coming years the information will be forgotten, by the end of year I will show all in date order and Identified.. many many thanks for the input, 👍

Hammered coin Edward? Ive been looking up on these for awhile but Ive still lots to learn, Elizabeth six pence are easier to read, these early Pennies are a challenge,...... its the first one I've found (amongst my lot) that has the cross mark through from the other side the head is probably the least worn that I have found so far, still unable to translate the lettering. ok..so far I wrote off Richard II and Edward I... leaning towards 3rd Coinage Edward III 1327-1377 ?!?!?!?!??! 🤷‍♂️🤔 Many Many thanks "H"

it has been most educational, back before the computer days it was trawling around the Boot Fair days that I so do miss, fortunately I still have boxes and bags of coins in my possession yet to be processed, Guilders I didnt even know about such coins.....today again another learning day. many thanks "H"

Aha, I think I pencilled it in as 1959 but needed to be correct, my loop is strong enough to pick out the obvious dings and wear, the forums partly to blame and I'm now looking for errors that do occur... interesting to learn that this the "ghost" are due to a repair to a die..... for me an interesting find. 👍

errrrrrmmm well it was in a field early on a Sunday morning, half hung over at a boot fair, this was the early 90's and just buying coins what look old and silver...GIII .... and cheap.... was good enough for me and its a keep 👍

Victoria Six Pence -1st portrait; 1st type the date hasn't been dinged, it looks close up as its deformed, non committed to be a 5 or 6 ( which is a ball ache when trying to get things in date order !?!?😒) on the obverse there's a ghost to the side of the letters G:F opinions / views welcome.......

so another delve into the collection box of small mouldies that ive been avoiding, starting by fishing out all of them that I found to be continental and that been mainly nickel ........not of any great age or interest, 😒 others that I found are the silver British ones mainly Victorian so will be back to look in to these at a later date......... clearly I had never had any organisation way back them this all started. However......... I did at first dismiss this one coin at first as I didn't realise what it was as its details were covered in ....crud?!?!? warm soapy water has revealed a ½ Guilder - William IV.... it really made my day. any comments ? much appreciated, Rgds "H"

Awesome! enough said.....I can look these for quite sometime without losing interest, the photo is well executed, congratulations to you Sir. 🫡👍

it was in one of those lovely plastic envelopes can be bloody hard to open, I thought £7 was a good deal, so I coughed up and shoved it in my pocket...a done deal..... until later on that day.... I took a look at the outer edge.....top & bottom holes drilled prized out of jewellery ? and you know even though you cant see them....I always know they are there. please do show some of your horrors and let downs......its good to share... 👍