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Class 7b1

Ioan chic at Canterbury. Henry III. I'll get back to you with the class once I've scrutinised it abit.?

Wow. Cool find. Must of missed this one. Great find!

Throughly agree. We are a dying breed on here , us hammered fans that is. I posted a nice short cross a few days ago. I think 2 people liked it , poor turn out that but to be fair it was posted in the wrong place. We need a recent hammered acquisitions thread or something along similar lines ?

Sure. Always happy to help if i can.

No problem, i like a challenge ?. Providing you have enough to ID you can usually find out the moneyer , mint or monarch. All 3 if your really lucky !

The joining of letters is called litigated. Its quite common on long cross coins. Your coins a class 5 coin. I cannot be more precise than that as i cannot make out the X in rex. Someone else may know the sub class. Clive is good with these. Short cross are more my thing. Nice finds by the way.

Ricard on lvn so Ricard at London. Not sure of the class as i don't have my books to hand.

It wasn't meant to be the full exact mint name, they couldn't fit it all on so it was abbreviated. I make it as IOH/OHS’/EDM/VHD which i suppose would translate as Ion at St edmunds so it would be SEDMUND as what looks like an H is actually an N and the V is a U. Hope that makes sense.?

No Terci is for three. King Henry Terci! It was eventually replaced in later class coins by III becoming HENRICUS REX III

Sad news. Condolences to his family.

Sounds good. He does have the long narrow bust of 2b. ?

The mint is Bury St Edmunds. Moneyer is Ion . He struck from 2a upto 5a3. This website should aid you further with tying the class down exactly. www.henry3.com

Another bloody one! Reported it!. Getting fed up of seeing these now. https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/hammered-coins/162738646034

Earlier in the year i recall seeing on a website a short cross coin with a previously unknown moneyers name on it. If my memory is correct it was Austen or Austin at Ocse ( oxford). Has anybody else seen this coin and if so do you have a link to the site it was on? I can't find it now. I found it by mistake previously while researching. I believe it was found on a club dig by a metal detecting club by a young female member. The images of the coin where on Twitter i think. Thanks.

Your welcome. Shortcross legends is on Amazon. Priced £35- 40 i think. Its constantly being updated with new editions so well worth buying.

Really. I just googled it and couldn't find it either. I know it did exist previously because I've viewed it before. It wasn't very good because it relied on ordinary folk to submit coins they thought were fakes. I should of told him to post it on here for a second opinion.

You actually did good for just a spink price guide which i assume you were using. The 3 is just a sub class. There's subtle differences in coins in between the classes so they get a sub class. I used a combination of books. Jp masses collection of short cross coins and Gerry slevins short cross legends. The last one probably being the more up-to-date of the two and more affordable if you were looking for a good guide.

I would pop them out the caps and try again. If your worried about smudges or finger prints get a glasses cleaning type lint clothe and use that to handle them.

After much examination & scrutinizing i think its a 7c3. The N and D kind of looks litigated and this is only seen with this Moneyer in class 7c3 and 8b also they are the only two classes that end with a D in London but if it were an 8b coin it would start with a cross pommee before the N in Nichole so i feel its highly likely a 7c3.

Hats off to him. I messaged him back and thanked him for pulling it. At least we know it's gone for now. I think forgery.net will second my opinion also so that should put his mind at rest and hopefully he won't relist it.

It is indeed a Henry III Nichole at London mint. In my book it has Nicolas de sancto albano(Nichole) starting off at class 7c so it can't be a 7b. If i could see the X in rex more clearly i could say with 100% certainty what class it is. Nichole worked 7c- 8c right up to the end of the short cross series in 1247. He was reported to have died in 1253 Ad. "This is only a guess but I'd go with 7c1 , 7c2 or 7c3" so you could probably mark it as 7c. Hope this helps. ?

Yes here's his response Thank you very much for bringing this matter to my attention!Although the item does look authentic to me, i.e., surface pitting, double strike, edge etc., and even it was bought some time ago from an e-bay seller with a good profile, I take your point and have just removed the item from sales. I shall give it another think and try to find more info on the forgery network. Kindest regards,Alex

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CHARLES-I-SILVER-SHILLING-TOWER-MINT-UNDER-THE-KING-MM-PLUME-1630-1/292318084489 Reported! Take a look at his others . I don't like that Lizzie 6d at all it looks mushy. Emailed him about the above coin just to let him know it's a rep as he may not be aware. Could be genuine mistake as he mentions the R in the listing.

Everything he sells is a metal detecting find. He's still trying to flog that pencil drawing of Michael Owen which he dug up! ?