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It would be interesting to see what you have. I don't really collect gold, although I have a few odds and ends. I know from my market days many "guineas" brought to me were actually 19th century gaming tokens in brass, loosely imitating the by then defunct guinea coins. The only pre-sovereign British gold coin I have is this third guinea from 1810:

I am surprised the 1810 third Guinea has garnered so many likes - it looks too rough for me! I like this Victoria 1872 Sovereign much more. I bought it originally during my dealing days and sold it straight on to a friend. A few years later, he needed cash and offered it back to me at the original price. Gold had gone up substantially in the meantime, so I gave him more but I think it was still a good deal and I have kept it since then.

Here are a couple of group pics of the British coins, I bought 36 on a little felt lined box, I think I have posted one of each type. I also bought a mixed lot in lesser condition including quite a lot of German coin types. Jerrj

I suspect you are over-thinking it. It's just another fun analogy to keep things lighter. (If I wanted to be really accurate, I would have stated that on current estimations he only owns about 88% of the ball.) His ownership of good pennies ( that many of us could have bought) isn't a problem- he's come to the right place. His deciding his cash can change certain established rules is questionable. His descriptions of forum members are objectionable. Are you supporting him in all of these areas?

I’m beginning to take an interest in James I coinage…are there any core texts outside of the BNJ, North, ‘Spink’ etc.? I was disappointingly underbidder on this eBay shilling recently, thinking £350 was a strong enough snipe

Victoria 1872 Sovereign Rarity index: 26 (0 being common 100 V Rare) for issues with mintmark below wreath, see Australia - Colonial (M = Melbourne mint, S = Sydney mint) A die error is known to exist: Obverse with "GRΛTIΛ" instead of "GRATIA" Obverse, reverse and overdate varieties exist: Without die number, Die number below wreath, Additional raised line on lower part of ribbon (Ansell type) Royal Mint (Tower Hill), London, United Kingdom (1810-1975) Engraver: Jean Baptiste Merlen £ 640 VF £ 640 XF £ 640 AU £ 840 UNC (sales realized on Internet platforms) Mintage 13 486 708 Hope this helps........ Rgds "H"

Hello Paddy, Third guinea from 1810: with a Rarity index: 72 (0 being common 100 V Rare) Auction sales sees this as a price £ 300 AU £ 530 uncirculated.... Mints: Royal Mint (Tower Hill), London, United Kingdom (1810-1975) Royal Mint (Tower of London), United Kingdom (1279-1810) Engraver: Lewis Pingo Demonetized This much I've found out...... All the best "H"

Not at all......I know that it's only useful to take things to a certain resolution once the point is made. I learnt long long ago that if one wishes to get more from a book, re-reading it one letter at a time is a backwards step.....

Keep digging mate- I do admire your tenacity and inability to apologise or back down after social ineptitude. I was wrong to use the toy aeroplane analogy. I admit that now. I should have run with the one about kid who turns up out of the blue with demands of a football team because he's the only kid in the street with a decent ball. How's that?

I’m not sure that the answer is straightforward. Although this variety is listed in the appendix of the most recent Freeman, it (in common with other new discoveries) has not been allocated a Freeman number. In reality, the variety is no more an F38 than an F39 as in both cases the obverses are different and so it is not a sub-variety of either. All I can do is tell you what I do in these circumstances, pending a complete revision of Freeman. I catalogue my pennies by date primarily, Freeman number secondarily (occasionally Gouby No where he recognises the type) and in the absence of any published varietal identifier I write something like ‘not in Freeman’ and a summary of what makes it different eg ‘Freeman 3+G’ or ‘14 teeth’ or whatever. That has the advantage that it is universally applicable, anybody reading my tickets knows what he is dealing with. Jerry