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Very pleased to have obtained this problem free William IV 1837 penny in about EF. Scarcest date of the few William IV pennies, and very difficult to get in high grade.

Funny that..... I remember Tony Crocker had a pile of similar 1905's a few years ago. Seems they were collected for Xmas or birthday gifts at the time and not used and just stashed. I had a pile of 1897's off ebay years ago the same - stored not as well, with some damp corrosion on the fields, all GEF and up, in a pile of rotten paper wrapping. One was a O•NE!!

I presume the reason for non declaration is that the coins were found from detectoring done without the landowner's permission. Really stupid when you think about it. If they'd gone about it in an honest, straightforward manner, they'd all have gained financially instead of facing a needless prison term and a criminal record.

Well this doesn't happen often. At the market yesterday a chap brought me a small box of coins including 8 1908 Pennies all around AU! I believe they are all F166, so not desperately scarce, but uncommon with this amount of lustre. I cannot possibly use all of these - I will post in the For Sale section in case anybody needs one.

In this case, as I understand, the finders had permission from the tenant, but not the landowner who is said to have been anti detecting. Had they declared the hoard initially, they would likely be deemed to have been acting reasonably, if unaware of the true land ownership, and would have shared half of the multi million hoard valuation. Instead they are part way through sentences of 8 and 10 years, and with confiscation orders hanging over them. I have little sympathy. Jerry

I think Eddie Grundy got the message...

These arrests and subsequent charges are an extension of the investigations into the dispersal of the north Herefordshire Saxon hoard which have already resulted in four convictions and substantial prison sentences previously discussed on this site. Reports previously suggested that around 30 coins from this hoard were recovered in the Durham raids. A number of ‘two emperor’ coins are included, hence the high valuation. Initial ‘guesstimates’ of the total coins in the hoard were around 300, so there are still well over 200 yet to be recovered. Jerry

OK OK misunderstanding

I didn't realise it was a 6 year old post until you said that !!

Just posting. Seen some report in the past that a japanese inventor discovered that a certain sound wave have an effect on clothes in removing dirt in washing machine. Maybe it is either that a dirt react in certain soundwave and vibrate or detached to the clothes,since the minute or little the dirt the harder it will be remove. I dont know about coins if the dirt is a mixture of different metal and dirt.