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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/366523954473?_skw=penny+coin&itmmeta=01KWT6YZX5NPV22P77BGXJ3S6Y&hash=item555687b529:g:pooAAeSwjKBqSnaA&itmprp=enc%3AAQALAAAA8GfYFPkwiKCW4ZNSs2u11xBASzf36AG%2FSFZbX1%2F6hahtC%2Bi8QV4cUdcZa%2FrNt4ydMMjXQzvEFKhp6doJPQlxHhjucZAeE0NbtoAPnfMT%2FlYvIZFG8rHXvGDpsr3UmhuIxPZfl7CQFYLN4gGW2Focz0c2dxlnNpsuJRD1ek7gxiAZq%2BRNI1DyDt3vvv1WwXwYYTZQBsSAWd0Z97B1tuFgjMwimhLUQXuZ9lFNi22hJBYQvBE50h0LmG3SRREbKFDGvefubcgliCBLQcH7MQa64Vuu8K%2FhYTOKAoywFUu8ePZpOUFXEopUvJNEbwt9QO77PQ%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR4j_-8bmZw 1827 Penny 👎

It's a bit confusing as the so-called 'single line' actually isn't - it's double but the lines are so close together it appears single, unless you view it through a magnifier

On the plus side, a lot of the flan issues were ironed out during the decimal patterns by using various metal mixes and flan thicknesses. The presence of almost consistent flan lamination for certain varieties suggests an attempt to standardise minting conditions, more importantly on a series which didn't circulate. The engraving wasn't particularly divergent from the normal currency issues, but the minor fiddling with mixes and also presumably striking forces for the mixes will have helped immensely in arriving at the ideal.

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And here a penny of Berwick, class Blunt 4a, Withers 5a, pellet on breast and unusual crescent shaped hair. Slightly unusual portrait, any thoughts? Jerry

And the reverse;

Here are a couple of pennies from the Minster Auction Stu references elsewhere. The first I think is a class 2, though I am unsure which. It has particularly long side fleurs, wedge shaped contraction marks and reversed ‘N’s and I think that the ‘N’ in ‘DNS’ is double barred.

Thanks! Some of these I've seen before and some are new to me. Interesting lots. And somewhat silly prices but , .. happy for the vendor!

Got the date wrong too. It's an 1862

Your picture is too blurred for comment but here are my own pictures from my website: Single exergue with waves almost touching the line and double exergue with waves clear of the line.

Oh, and this penny apparently has “the profile of a British lady “ on the reverse. Don’t you just love A.I. ! Jerry

I wasn’t sure where to post this Ebay offering, there are so many choices! Unknown grading company, “Tudor Coingrading Company” being sold by Ebay seller “Tudor Coins”, coin in slab is the wrong date for the label and is allegedly AU58 when it appears to be less than VF with issues. And the text suggests it is ANACS MS60. What on earth is going on here? At what point does this behaviour become criminal? Newcomers risk being massively discouraged from numismatics by this sort of behaviour. Jerry https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/366523800496?_skw=penny&itmmeta=01KWS90R0MAB465J91RGTC7ZZP&hash=item5556855bb0:g:fIoAAeSwQc1qSmCR&itmprp=enc%3AAQALAAAA4GfYFPkwiKCW4ZNSs2u11xBLz4j3XZU8mu0Cbb350VpikZtwzj2aSPlSW6rXS%2FSfOsy%2BT4Ap8HEAjjQPj2k2UzKpJPM8aWVDGH2ye9B%2BllFbJY%2FOIjKs%2BhMROYbbwpmrVo2%2Fc7TxtZ0O19hf9q%2FRmtSvgwwyHs%2BQUeGWm%2FMNSsaU8oBzY%2BIKGudScPNku484P%2FvgfOqq2A6PRVapzoCzOCan8QTkUiKwDLWemfpSHUo52xJJfB50mxvDPXO7POvj%2BELG0GR2dz%2B71gTZ5p1NvYwwidD71Iyv6g8aTZVZpBME|tkp%3ABk9SR_iAg6nmZw

That’s great, Jerry, many thanks for the offer, I’ll take you up on that next time! I can always reciprocate for The Cotswold, Harper Field (Stroud), and occasional Clevedon Salerooms, if you ever spot anything ☺️ Best, Stuart

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Freeman estimated they were about 1 in 20 - i.e. 5% - based on his enormous survey of circulating coins in the 60s. Good luck with getting a high grade - I bought one from Colin Cooke in the 90s, he told me then that top grades of it are rare.

Just to add a bit more: the first few years of the changeover to bronze saw a helluva lot of repunching of date digits and legend letters. Bronze is a harder metal than copper, and the coins were thinner in size, so dies got worn relatively quickly. As well as that, the Mint is reported to have experienced a lot of problems caused by the change of metal, which the huge number of varieties (major, minor, and micro) in the first few years can attest to.

I just looked this up (I'm after a lustred example) and saw that it was 11% of the total mintage for that year. Google generated, so accuracy TBC!

Yes, the groat was nice and very tempting at that price. But the marks were a little more apparent than in the photo and I had my sights elsewhere. The York shilling looked good and was a good buy for someone. If you ever need anything collected I usually go up if there is a significant coin offering. Jerry

I think you’re right about eBay! I bought 4 coins from that auction (2 lots), coins I’d previously sold on eBay to a buyer in Ludlow, I wonder if that was a deceased estate? Ahh, if I’d known you were there…I’m still waiting for a revised invoice to include postage, it’s the longest I’ve ever had to wait. I messaged them again, yesterday. It was a depressing auction overall for me, as I had internet issues with EE which cost me the Elizabeth Groat (lot 255) I would’ve gone £300 without hesitation. It sold for £180, gutted 😩 nb: it’s not creased, all the images of coins in capsules were the same, including the ones I previously sold, which I knew to be sound.

I went and looked at these lots as the auction is fairly local to me; under the loupe there was no doubt that they were all replicas, casting bubbles etc- and chatting to the auctioneer afterwards clearly both he and the vendor were flabbergasted! I think we’ll have to watch Ebay closely in case they re-surface! I did buy a lot with a rare Hereford token for less than I expected and overpaid for one of the Edward penny lots including a Berwick Blunt 4a but with a very unusual semicircle hair-line and nice face. (Always liked a nice face!) Jerry

I’m hoping these links works…sold for over £3000…the number of different Edward VI shillings was surprising @Michael-Roo, as were the Charles I coinage, as well as Elizabeth! Some royalist badges too @TomGoodheart https://www.easyliveauction.com/catalogue/lot/f8c9faa1e5744a62a93836a448951a53/0af8d24542e81eb9357e7ef448a6646f/auction-of-antique-silver-jewellery-paintings-count-lot-237/ https://www.easyliveauction.com/catalogue/lot/819865231486824515681d69c412c4c6/0af8d24542e81eb9357e7ef448a6646f/auction-of-antique-silver-jewellery-paintings-count-lot-236/

Just an oddball. Letters and digits on worn/filled dies were often repaired by re-punching, and not surprisingly these were often slightly misplaced. Of little extra interest unless the wrong punch has been used or the misplacement is extreme. As for the ‘4’ it may just be a die flaw. Jerry

Nice piece Jerry. Glad it turned up in the end. My daughter's birthday card arrived 2 weeks late in April. My Nephews is now also 2 weeks late. Both posted 2 weeks in advance of occasion. I wouldn't mind but the distance it's travelling is a mere 38 miles inside the same county (Lancashire) They really are the pits. Stu.

I think every postal service in the world has been wanting at some point in time. We all have our horror stories to relate. 2 stand out in my case. My worst was following the purchase of the unique F689 (incorrectly slabbed as a P1983) and a P1156 (4 known) in the June 2006 Heritage sale. As you may anticipate the parcel went awol, with nothing heard of it until the following January/February when it reappeared back at Heritage. I had been refunded months before, so the first question they asked was did I still want it given it hadn't been signed for the first time round? A rather silly question given the parcel had just come from the Philippines! And no, I don't live on the outskirts of Manila. However, there was a positive outcome, because I pointed out the error in their shipping policy, which was to only have the parcel tracked in the destination country. I enquired how they could know where it was at any point, and how I could be sure the parcel had in fact been sent out at all and wasn't residing in the collection of a Heritage employee, even if I was trying to keep an open mind at all times. They got a bit miffed at the insinuation, but within a week or so had revised their international shipping policy such that the parcel was tracked at all times, whoever was the carrier. Hooray. Common sense prevailed and persists to this day, but only once they had actually read and absorbed the emails. The coin in question is seen below. It differs from the P1983 which has the oak leaves in the outer circle pointing in the opposite direction. I am not aware of any others, nor a P1983 in private hands, but if anyone knows of one, I'm all ears. A Peck miss given it was illustrated in the Nobleman sale (1922) lot 399. The second involved a parcel of Northumbrian stycas shipped to an address in Paris 10 or 12 years ago. Fully tracked, but nowhere to be seen - until it resurfaced in Tahiti. We know the Vikings got around a bit, but that would have required a major rewriting of Viking history books had the parcel been lost in the South Pacific.

I will continue the thread for you 👍. "Sometimes when i am bored i go into the garden, cover myself in soil and think im a potato ".