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    1. British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries

      This forum contains general discussion on all elements of British coinage throughout the ages. Enquiries and questions are also welcome. Note the separate sub-forums for Unlisted Varieties, Hammered (pre 1663) and Third Party Grading.

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    1. Beginners area

      Start topics and discuss all the pros and cons about your experiences as a new coin collector.

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      A forum to start topics on any decimal coins. Please feel free to answer and questions or help where you can.

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      All about ancient coins. Buying them, selling them. Studying them. Ancient Greek, Celtic, Roman Imperial/Republic, Byzantine and other issues pre c.500 AD.

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      Post any enquiries about coins that are not British or that you think are not British, here. The experienced collectors usually deal with questions quite quickly.

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    • I can quite see how a snappy descriptor, coupled with just the right level of scarcity, adds a touch of glamour to a particular coin and helps to make it more sought after -  whether the V word is carelessly applied or not. Against the dot pennies, the poor old "1915 extra bar penny" doesn't stand much a chance, despite its origins and scarcity being broadly similar (IMO).  
    • Having lost interest in my penny collection and getting on in years, I decided to sell some. Someone else may as well enjoy them. It's a long time since I used this forum so having forgot about it, I put some on eBay. Is that a good place to sell or better on here? I listed this 1965 heavy flan but had no interest so it's re-listed. I also put a collection of errors on there. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/127966667173 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/127965963419
    • I wonder why Freeman included the 1897 dot in "The Bronze Coinage of Great Britain" but not the ONE ' - maybe because the latter looks like an extraneous piece of metal whereas he postulates that the perfectly round dot on the 1897 might be some kind of identification mark. Either way those two example are much easier to describe concisely, just as you have done, than the other spurious dot types which can appear anywhere on the coin.
    • One of the fundamental rules of collecting is that it is entirely down to individual taste, with no right or wrong. A person unable to see alternative views is too blinkered or has an unhealthy personal interest in the outcome. It is also a given that if someone writes down their research on paper, some people will collect said identified differences. One or more of the latter group will then see anomalies and try to rationalise them, and so the research continues. The logical conclusion therefore is that eventually, we will able to identify nearly all of the coin dies that were ever made. Not 100%, but pretty damn close. As a reference point - great. As a collecting aim - get a life if you want everything, and ask to carry any brownie points into the afterlife, because you will need all the time you have 10x over I can't explain why, but whenever I hear the passionate debates about what is right and wrong and the refusal to back down on a view, I am always reminded of the late Eric Heffer's speech in the Commons concerning the Labour left's hounding of Princess Michael of Kent regarding her father being in the SS during WW2. The basics were along the lines of: I think it important that someone from this side says this. I've never met the woman, have no desire to meet her and I am unlikely to ever do so, but in a democracy, nobody can be held accountable for the actions of their forefathers. So if those  trying to make political capital from this would kindly sit down and shut up, we can get on with the business for which we were duly elected. He may have been left wing, but living in a democracy topped his political views By extrapolation, a tolerance of conflicting views ensures that life can continue peacefully, with the only likely damage in numismatics being data overload. I can live with that. The views will always be diverse, only the tolerance varies.
    • I agree with all that. However I'd lay the blame not with Freeman but with Coin Monthly! I started collecting as a schoolboy in the late 60s and the very first issue I bought had a Beginners Page featuring (did they call them "varieties"? Can't remember..) three pennies, two of which have been mentioned here: the 1897 O.NE and the 1946 ONE' - plus a Vic copper penny though I don't recall which date or where the extra dot was. I think that as a result of that notoriety, those particular anomalies became accepted as varieties.
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