loose54 Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 Evening All, I was just wondering if anyone has ever seen an example of the 1860 Bronze Halfpenny TB/BB Mule? I have seen many of the pennies and the farthings but I noticed that the Halfpenny was listed in the 2015 Spink whereas it has not been included in previous years. I would love to see a photo of one if anybody has one? Quote
Bernie Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 I believe that there has only been one that has been found so far. Attached is a picture of that coin. 2 Quote
just.me Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 I believe that there has only been one that has been found so far. Attached is a picture of that coin.My friend owns an 1860 Halfpenny mule he has owned it for years, I think possibly since the 1980's, its the only one that I know about and the only one that he knows about too. He mainly collects Pennies but does have a few other rarities collected. Quote
Peter Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 I believe that there has only been one that has been found so far. Attached is a picture of that coin.Great Info BernieHas opened the flood gates with the Just Me post. Quote
Nordle11 Posted August 20, 2015 Posted August 20, 2015 I believe that there has only been one that has been found so far. Attached is a picture of that coin.My friend owns an 1860 Halfpenny mule he has owned it for years, I think possibly since the 1980's, its the only one that I know about and the only one that he knows about too. He mainly collects Pennies but does have a few other rarities collected.Is it a TB/BB as OP says or BB/TB? Quote
just.me Posted August 20, 2015 Posted August 20, 2015 I believe that there has only been one that has been found so far. Attached is a picture of that coin.My friend owns an 1860 Halfpenny mule he has owned it for years, I think possibly since the 1980's, its the only one that I know about and the only one that he knows about too. He mainly collects Pennies but does have a few other rarities collected.Is it a TB/BB as OP says or BB/TB?It is the toothed obv. beaded rev., it is the same coin as in the picture Bernie posted. Bernie confirmed last night that it is the same coin that we know of. Quote
copper123 Posted August 20, 2015 Posted August 20, 2015 I have been around for ages and I have never heard of one for sale anywhereBy the way the farthings are not as rare as most people think I would imagine between 250 and 100 exist (I have one as well) Quote
Mr T Posted August 20, 2015 Posted August 20, 2015 Nice. Didn't realise it was R20 but I guess it still is, even with the passage of a few decades. Quote
RLC35 Posted August 20, 2015 Posted August 20, 2015 I have been around for ages and I have never heard of one for sale anywhereBy the way the farthings are not as rare as most people think I would imagine between 250 and 100 exist (I have one as well)I have one too (ex Michael Freeman). Quote
Bernie Posted August 20, 2015 Posted August 20, 2015 I have been around for ages and I have never heard of one for sale anywhereBy the way the farthings are not as rare as most people think I would imagine between 250 and 100 exist (I have one as well)I have one too (ex Michael Freeman).I presume you mean mule farthing Bob, If you have a mule halfpenny, please load a picture if you have one. Quote
just.me Posted August 20, 2015 Posted August 20, 2015 I have been around for ages and I have never heard of one for sale anywhereBy the way the farthings are not as rare as most people think I would imagine between 250 and 100 exist (I have one as well)I have one too (ex Michael Freeman).Are both your Farthing mules with obverse 2? I believe there are mules with obverse 3? Colin lists it on his site, I've never seen one in hand or pictured. My example is an obverse 2. Quote
copper123 Posted August 20, 2015 Posted August 20, 2015 My coin is in such poor grade you cannot tell the obverse type - still it really clear as TB/BB and thats what matters Quote
RLC35 Posted August 20, 2015 Posted August 20, 2015 I have been around for ages and I have never heard of one for sale anywhereBy the way the farthings are not as rare as most people think I would imagine between 250 and 100 exist (I have one as well)I have one too (ex Michael Freeman).I presume you mean mule farthing Bob, If you have a mule halfpenny, please load a picture if you have one.You are correct Bernie, it is a farthing. Coppers was talking about a farthing, and that is what I was responding too. I guess I could have been a little clearer on my statement. Quote
scott Posted August 20, 2015 Posted August 20, 2015 few decent reverse die identifiers there too. Quote
RLC35 Posted August 20, 2015 Posted August 20, 2015 (edited) My coin is in such poor grade you cannot tell the obverse type - still it really clear as TB/BB and thats what mattersAbove are pic's of my Farthing Mule. I think my mule is 4 berries, Obverse B (Freeman 2). Edited August 20, 2015 by RLC35 Quote
copper123 Posted August 20, 2015 Posted August 20, 2015 (edited) MMMMMM much nicer than mine - It's the common one but I am sure you knew that .I would really strugle to grade that at VF by the way NVF is much nearer tha mark , I love the reverse , obverse seems worse grade Edited August 20, 2015 by copper123 Quote
RLC35 Posted August 20, 2015 Posted August 20, 2015 MMMMMM much nicer than mine - It's the common one but I am sure you knew that .I would really strugle to grade that at VF by the way NVF is much nearer tha mark , I love the reverse , obverse seems worse gradeIt came to me from Michael Freeman graded "cleaned" VF. I kind of agree with you at AVF, but you know how it goes...it's VF if you are selling, and AVF if you are buying...Ha,Ha. I hate grading by the way! LOL... Quote
just.me Posted August 20, 2015 Posted August 20, 2015 My coin is in such poor grade you cannot tell the obverse type - still it really clear as TB/BB and thats what mattersMy example is low grade too, a lot of deep scratching, but as you say, a clear example. Quote
Mr T Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 I have been around for ages and I have never heard of one for sale anywhereBy the way the farthings are not as rare as most people think I would imagine between 250 and 100 exist (I have one as well)I have one too (ex Michael Freeman).Are both your Farthing mules with obverse 2? I believe there are mules with obverse 3? Colin lists it on his site, I've never seen one in hand or pictured. My example is an obverse 2.Here it is (very bottom of the page): http://www.colincooke.com/coin_pages/vbh2.htmlThe picture isn't very big but the it does appear to be obverse 3 (the hair is wavier). Quote
just.me Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 Here it is (very bottom of the page): http://www.colincooke.com/coin_pages/vbh2.htmlThe picture isn't very big but the it does appear to be obverse 3 (the hair is wavier).Great, thanks for the link. Quote
copper123 Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) The slabbed mule, it looks very much cleaned, but just on the obverse - TBH I am surprised freeman made do with a coin in that grade (did u mean it was from his collection?) - I surpose he had not had the royalties from the book come through - there are quite a few in EF-Unc grade , I have heard of about seven or eight at least over the years.The second mule , will its low grade but just look at the beaded border on the reverse - its fantastic and the teeth on the obverse are super as well as far as lower grade examples go it's just perfect Edited August 21, 2015 by copper123 Quote
RLC35 Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 The slabbed mule, it looks very much cleaned, but just on the obverse - TBH I am surprised freeman made do with a coin in that grade (did u mean it was from his collection?) - I surpose he had not had the royalties from the book come through - there are quite a few in EF-Unc grade , I have heard of about seven or eight at least over the years.The second mule , will its low grade but just look at the beaded border on the reverse - its fantastic and the teeth on the obverse are super as well as far as lower grade examples go it's just perfectI don't know if the Mule was from Freeman's Private Collection or not, but he was the previous owner, and the person I bought it from in a private sale. Quote
copper123 Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 his private collecton went in the seventies didn't it ?From memory so could easy be wrong Quote
PWA 1967 Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 Main sale was 1984.I think we forget sometimes most of his collection was from circulation and not bought.Pete. Quote
Rob Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 The mule wasn't illustrated,so can't say if it was the same piece Quote
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