Paulus Posted March 22, 2015 Author Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) And one I won just this evening (seller's pic - many of you will guess who from!) Edited March 22, 2015 by Paulus Quote
jaggy Posted March 22, 2015 Posted March 22, 2015 1853 Sixpence. Acquired at DNW, 4th December 2013 1 Quote
jaggy Posted March 22, 2015 Posted March 22, 2015 1853 Proof Sixpence. Acquired at Heritage, 15th April 2014 1 Quote
ozjohn Posted March 22, 2015 Posted March 22, 2015 1820 Halfcrown I think I paid about $AU 110 for it in the late 1980s Quote
azda Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 (edited) Couple of quid last year Edited March 23, 2015 by azda 1 Quote
azda Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 (edited) This one is Williams but love the toning on it Edited March 23, 2015 by azda Quote
Nicholas Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 (edited) That's a cracking Cromwell shilling. Edited March 23, 2015 by Nicholas Quote
Nicholas Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 Dark tone - it's been freed since this photo... 1 Quote
ozjohn Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 With reference to the slabbed countermarked dollar which is graded VF. As you may be aware similar coins were issued in Australia with the center punched out which was called the dump worth 15 pence 1/- 6 and the rest of the coin called a holey dollar worth 5/-. From what I understand when grading these items it is the condition of the counterstamp which is graded not the original coin's condition. Perhaps another example of 3rd parties grading coins they do not fully understand. Quote
Nicholas Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 (edited) Agreed John - it's the counter mark that counts! In this instance Spink graded it as EF (Ex Montegazza 62. Spink 113, March1996). The slabbing company mistaken IMO. Also their provenance leaves a lot to be desired : "A-Tokyo Collection" is meaningless as far as I know. Edited March 23, 2015 by Nicholas Quote
VickySilver Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 Well, no "Tokyo A Collection" is a rather fabulous one - perhaps one of the finest collection of milled crowns EVER assembled. I have a couple but that particular collector, now deceased had a legendary collection; the family still holds some of the finest bits. Believe Steve Hill knows a bit about this collection. 1 Quote
azda Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 Sorry XF which probably equates to VF.XF45 equates to a British NVF Quote
ozjohn Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 azda the point was the coin was graded on the basis of the original Mexican coin not its counter stamp as it should have been. However my observation is dragging the subject of this thread away from its original intent something that happens a lot in these forums. The UK and Sheldon scales are probably better discussed as a separate thread. Quote
azda Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 (edited) Where does it say it was graded on the coin and not the counterstamp? I believe UK auction houses give 2 grades for similar coins, but i can't see anything on the label that suggest its the coin that was graded. Just saying.Nicholas, i woiuld'nt have taken that out ofits holder considering where its come from. Of course a majority dislike holders but thats good provenance there. Edited March 23, 2015 by azda Quote
ozjohn Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Azda, at the risk of digressing from this thread further I suggest you take a look at Australian holey dollar prices and gradings it is all in the counter mark the original coin is of no consequence. If you think about it someone has butchered a coin by removing its center or making a dent in it using a metal stamp. Normally these coins would be only bullion value after such action but in this case the marking is official thus making the coin rare. This again is true for civil war siege pieces of silver where it is the counter mark that makes these pieces different from any other piece of silver. In all cases beware of fakes. Quote
sound Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Jaggy,I take it your not into eye appeal. LOL. Nice coin.Mark Quote
sound Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Paulus,This thread is a nice idea. This is dark but really like it.Mark Quote
azda Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Azda, at the risk of digressing from this thread further I suggest you take a look at Australian holey dollar prices and gradings it is all in the counter mark the original coin is of no consequence. If you think about it someone has butchered a coin by removing its center or making a dent in it using a metal stamp. Normally these coins would be only bullion value after such action but in this case the marking is official thus making the coin rare. This again is true for civil war siege pieces of silver where it is the counter mark that makes these pieces different from any other piece of silver. In all cases beware of fakes.I must confess I've not seen an (English civil war counter stamped?) coin, nor an Australian Holey dollar, but we're surely talking about 2 different countries. As I said previously, in Blighty, both coin and counterstamp are graded and i won't digress further from this thread.If you can elaborate further on the civil war counterstamp coinage, are we talking British civil war? Then please PM me further details. Quote
Nicholas Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Where does it say it was graded on the coin and not the counterstamp? I believe UK auction houses give 2 grades for similar coins, but i can't see anything on the label that suggest its the coin that was graded. Just saying.Nicholas, i woiuld'nt have taken that out ofits holder considering where its come from. Of course a majority dislike holders but thats good provenance there. Quote
Nicholas Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 A coin out of its holder doesn't lose its provenance... Quote
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