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[Ianb26]

Hi, Newby to the site, first post.

I have an 1859 penny, with a variant that I cannot find much information on.

“ Tie ribbon between curl and neck”

 

Also there is no W.W., not sure if this as standard.

I would be grateful is someone could give me an idea of rarity, grade and value?

I also have recently got an 1858 small date, again would like an idea of grade, rarity and value.

[jelida]

14 minutes ago, Ianb26 said:

Hi, Newby to the site, first post.

I have an 1859 penny, with a variant that I cannot find much information on.

“ Tie ribbon between curl and neck”

 

Also there is no W.W., not sure if this as standard.

I would be grateful is someone could give me an idea of rarity, grade and value?

I also have recently got an 1858 small date, again would like an idea of grade, rarity and value.

The 1859 is interesting, not a deliberate ‘ribbon’ I suspect, perhaps a die flaw or foreign body impact or result of die clash but if more than a ‘one off’ could become collectable though probably not at a massive premium.

The 1858 small date is scarce rather than rare, unless combined with large rose reverse which yours is not. Maybe a small premium over large date but value is low  I think due to poor condition.

Jerry

[Ianb26]

Hi Jerry, this variant is documented and I have seen at least one more for sale on eBay currently, but that is all I can find.

 

[jelida]

30 minutes ago, Ianb26 said:

Hi Jerry, this variant is documented and I have seen at least one more for sale on eBay currently, but that is all I can find.

 

That’s nice, if others have been recognised that likely increases the desirability. I still doubt that it is a deliberate design modification though, given that the planning for the bronze currency was already well advanced.

Jerry

[alfnail]

The 'ribbon' on this 1859 is die clashing, explained on Gouby's website, where he now also references Peck 404.

The 'overlay' picture below also highlights the 'clash' area.