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[terrysoldpennies]

On 2/9/2024 at 4:08 PM, secret santa said:

BP1870Ae - Gouby says rare.

Sorry Richard .This Picture you show is not listed by Gouby.  I failed to count the teeth on Goubys Ac which is a left of tooth 12 example , yours is a just to the left of tooth 13 and is in fact a 12 and 3/4 width  , where as the gouby Ae has the  0  directly over  tooth 13 

[secret santa]

I'm getting confused with things. The picture in your post above which I showed as 1870Ae is surely exactly the same as Gouby's Ae in the picture above ?

[terrysoldpennies]

The Ae has the  0  directly over tooth 13 as shown by Gouby. My coin is exactly 13 teeth which is the same as the Gouby  Ae .  But your coin has the  0  slightly to the left of tooth 13 so you could say its a 12.3/4  tooth width and is unlisted 

 Maybe I'm nit picking as the difference is miniscule , but there must have been two dies as in my example the 7 is high in the exergue and in yours its lower down below the other digits in the date

I trust I make myself perfectly obscure. 

 

 

 

Edited February 11, 2024 by terrysoldpennies

[secret santa]

OK - I think I understand. There must have many different dies, all with slightly differing widths. Gouby's Ae has a lower 7 so that makes your picture immediately above unlisted ?

Do you agree that Ian's and my examples of Ad are valid ?

[terrysoldpennies]

Yes I think your right Richard about the Ad comparison       

Terry

[PWA 1967]

A recent purchase i have not shared on here and scarce year in high grade 😀

1870 NGC MS65.

 

[SilverAge3]

On 2/11/2024 at 5:46 AM, secret santa said:

Terry is saying that this is 1870 Ac but Ac has the 0 to the left of a tooth

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Picture courtesy of Michael Gouby

It's a shame Gouby won't ship his books here, i've always wanted copies (though some are now out of print). At least now i can compare my 1870 (a damaged piece, sadly) to this chart you posted from him. I'm thinking mine is Ab....

Edited February 27, 2024 by SilverAge3

[Peckris 2]

7 hours ago, PWA 1967 said:

A recent purchase i have not shared on here and scarce year in high grade 😀

1870 NGC MS65.

 

is that the very rare 'lighthouse on lighthouse' variety? 😆

[martinross44]

Found an F14... 

[jelida]

11 hours ago, martinross44 said:

Found an F14... 

Yes, well done. I actually think that Freeman marginally underestimated the scarcity of these.

Jerry

[Martinminerva]

6 hours ago, jelida said:

I actually think that Freeman marginally underestimated the scarcity of these.

I agree, and ironically even rarer in the lower Fair - Fine grades.  Most that exist seem to be quite high grade, maybe EF to A.Unc - I think the theory is they were a notable difference to the usual LCW under shield even in the 1860's and were largely wheedled out at the time, leaving even fewer to circulate more heavily. It took me years to find one too!

 

[martinross44]

Whilst the topic of 1860 obv/rev combinations are ongoing, I also have this one. I am very conscious it is heavily worn, but what are your thoughts on obv varient? I can't commit between obv 1 or 1*

Photo too large, so a link to Google drive. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1V_l3ibb-nE0G6ObK8ATSNa8fEZ4PjiZp/view?usp=drivesdk

[secret santa]

Clicking on the link only brings up the left hand side of the coin for me - it's the right half that will tell us the obverse type.

[martinross44]

8 minutes ago, secret santa said:

Clicking on the link only brings up the left hand side of the coin for me - it's the right half that will tell us the obverse type.

Ah OK - sorry, quite new to this whole thing. Try this one https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VNLYiXI7E3Iuz7y0NnK5ZrdQbjRN_p8D/view?usp=drivesdk

[martinross44]

Actually, ignore me - done some more research, it is a 1. Let's call my consideration that it was a 1* confirmation bias...

[secret santa]

3 hours ago, martinross44 said:

Try this one https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VNLYiXI7E3Iuz7y0NnK5ZrdQbjRN_p8D/view?usp=drivesdk

Nope - access denied.

[martinross44]

4 minutes ago, secret santa said:

Nope - access denied.

I've given you access and will change the settings too. Speaking with another person who focuses on penny varieties, the knot in the bow would indicate it is just a plain old obv 1. The chances of it being anything else were slim to none really! 

[jelida]

1 hour ago, martinross44 said:

I've given you access and will change the settings too. Speaking with another person who focuses on penny varieties, the knot in the bow would indicate it is just a plain old obv 1. The chances of it being anything else were slim to none really! 

I agree that it is obverse 1 rather than 1*, the gaze is forward rather than downward, and the rim is too thin. But they are out there, I have a couple of Ebay examples in low grade and a nice AEF F763 that was advertised as F6 at Lockdales a few years ago, less than £200; keep looking.

Jerry

[jelida]

Referring to the F14 mentioned above, I had been watching this one for a week out of interest (I already have two unc examples) and must admit to surprise at the outcome. There clearly is demand out there, which comes back to my comment on rarity/ availability.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285732487208

Jerry

[martinross44]

I was also watching that with interest. I am surprised, given the good reputation of the coin dealer selling it, that it either wasn't identified as, or indeed promoted as an F14. I actually commented to a fellow penny collector how surprised I was to find two on ebay at the same time in close succession. 

[Bernie]

12 hours ago, martinross44 said:

I was also watching that with interest. I am surprised, given the good reputation of the coin dealer selling it, that it either wasn't identified as, or indeed promoted as an F14. I actually commented to a fellow penny collector how surprised I was to find two on ebay at the same time in close succession. 

I agree, many years since I've seen one for sale on Ebay. As like waiting for a bus and two turn up together!

[PWA 1967]

A new scarce one not attributed ,with the sellers scans.

BP1874Nn , 7 over 7.

Edited March 9, 2024 by PWA 1967

[PWA 1967]

A couple of 1855 Pennies both really hard to find in grades above VF ,both purchased not attributed.

DOT on Forehead & Three colons after FID.

 

[alfnail]

Nice finds Pete, not easy ones.

As you say, the extra (half) dot after FID does indeed seem to be a repaired colon i.e. was once a purposeful upper dot in the colon. One of these was sold by London Coins in June 2016, and their accompanying text said:-

“1855 Ornamental Trident, with a small raised dot between the colon dots after FID giving the impression of a 3-dot colon”

Personally, I do not think they should have used the words “giving the impression”.

This is unlike the 1859 penny, which I believe I have seen sold as ‘having an extra colon dot after DEF’, when I am sure it is just a spurious roundish mark…….a bit like the 1855 dot on forehead.  

I attach close up pictures for reference.

Sadly the ‘More Pennies’ thread seems to have far less activity since Mike Hopkins (1949threepence) is no longer adding his posts. I wonder if anyone knows why he dropped off the radar last September, after being such a useful and regular contributor.

 

 

[PWA 1967]

He definitely had his computer hacked as kept getting daft emails from his address with links to click on etc.

Although not had any for a while ,anyone else get them ?

Edited March 15, 2024 by PWA 1967