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[alfnail]

On 3/7/2023 at 10:20 AM, alfnail said:

Again unimpressed with Noonans penny descriptions:-

Coins and Historical Medals (4 & 5 April 2023): Lot 499 | Noonans Mayfair

 

They don't get any better!

British and World Coins (7 & 8 June 2023): Lot 393 | Noonans Mayfair

 

[Old Money]

Yes they do!

[secret santa]

Not a trace !

[Old Money]

12 minutes ago, secret santa said:

Not a trace !

Should book with SpecSavers!

https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/6029704-008/65/

 

[1949threepence]

51 minutes ago, Old Money said:

Should book with SpecSavers!

https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/6029704-008/65/

 

Although I reckon the NGC example above is a genuine 4/3. If you blow the pic up, you can see the usual details.

The one offered by Noonans is taking the proverbial. 

[Old Money]

9 minutes ago, 1949threepence said:

Although I reckon the NGC example above is a genuine 4/3. If you blow the pic up, you can see the usual details.

The one offered by Noonans is taking the proverbial. 

Agreed, no evidence of top of 3 going through top of 4. In my experience if you tilt a genuine 4/3 you will see the 3 quite clearly.

[1949threepence]

7 minutes ago, Old Money said:

Agreed, no evidence of top of 3 going through top of 4. In my experience if you tilt a genuine 4/3 you will see the 3 quite clearly.

I know that identification of the 4/3 can be a bit tricky, especially for the novice - and is certainly difficult for the naked eye, even with the sharpest eyesight - but for an experienced company like Noonans, specialising in English coins, that mistake is inexplicable. Also, they seem to slightly resent mistakes being pointed out to them.

[PWA 1967]

2 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

I know that identification of the 4/3 can be a bit tricky, especially for the novice - and is certainly difficult for the naked eye, even with the sharpest eyesight - but for an experienced company like Noonans, specialising in English coins, that mistake is inexplicable. Also, they seem to slightly resent mistakes being pointed out to them.

Yes i agree ,i would not buy that as an 1854/3 looking at the picture.

All it does is waste everyones time describing them wrong as the majority just get returned. The vendor not paid or the auctioneer left with a coin they then have to try and sell someone else.

[alfnail]

8 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

I know that identification of the 4/3 can be a bit tricky, especially for the novice - and is certainly difficult for the naked eye, even with the sharpest eyesight - but for an experienced company like Noonans, specialising in English coins, that mistake is inexplicable. Also, they seem to slightly resent mistakes being pointed out to them.

Indeed Mike, they could employ at least a dozen people on this forum who would describe pennies better than they do. At least their pictures are good quality, so you can easily see all their mistakes 😜

[1949threepence]

13 minutes ago, alfnail said:

Indeed Mike, they could employ at least a dozen people on this forum who would describe pennies better than they do. At least their pictures are good quality, so you can easily see all their mistakes 😜

I literally thought exactly the same thing, Ian.

Maybe we should offer our skills. Could take it in turns   

[alfnail]

5% of hammer seems fair 🤑🤑🤑

 

[secret santa]

I think I remember Michael Gouby told me a few years ago that DNW had asked him to go through a collection of pennies to help them identify the varieties but, as they didn't offer him anything for his trouble, he declined.

[1949threepence]

1 hour ago, secret santa said:

I think I remember Michael Gouby told me a few years ago that DNW had asked him to go through a collection of pennies to help them identify the varieties but, as they didn't offer him anything for his trouble, he declined.

It's absurd to expect anybody to do that without a monetary remuneration for services rendered. It's not as if they couldn't have afforded it.  

Edited May 22, 2023 by 1949threepence

[Bruce]

3 hours ago, secret santa said:

I think I remember Michael Gouby told me a few years ago that DNW had asked him to go through a collection of pennies to help them identify the varieties but, as they didn't offer him anything for his trouble, he declined.

If it's a friend's request n have spare time, most people are willing to offer assistance.   However, if it is for commercial purpose, no way for free of charge...business is business.

[Iannich48]

3 hours ago, Bruce said:

If it's a friend's request n have spare time, most people are willing to offer assistance.   However, if it is for commercial purpose, no way for free of charge...business is business.

Absolutely, I agree totally.

[1949threepence]

GEF 1874 F67. Another example of a very difficult to obtain variety, which, at R12, shouldn't be too onerous to locate, but is, in fact, very difficult in higher grade. I actually won this at the Spink Auction of 22nd September 2015 (lot 565), but don't think I've shown it before. 

The dark patch on Britannia's legs is curious as it hardly shows at all in hand, but the photo brings it out. 

Incidentally, with regard to the 1874 varieties, I still believe that with the obvious exceptions of F69 & F76, the F77 & F78 still remain the most difficult to obtain in high grade, as evidenced by their extreme scarcity of appearance over the years.

 

 

[blakeyboy]

10 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

GEF 1874 F67. Another example of a very difficult to obtain variety, which, at R12, shouldn't be too onerous to locate, but is, in fact, very difficult in higher grade. I actually won this at the Spink Auction of 22nd September 2015 (lot 565), but don't think I've shown it before. 

The dark patch on Britannia's legs is curious as it hardly shows at all in hand, but the photo brings it out. 

Incidentally, with regard to the 1874 varieties, I still believe that with the obvious exceptions of F69 & F76, the F77 & F78 still remain the most difficult to obtain in high grade, as evidenced by their extreme scarcity of appearance over the years.

 

 

Agree absolutely.

My F67 is NEF, an accidental find in a cheap tin of stuff.

My F77 is NVF, and my F78 is NEF, both cheap, not noticed, on Ebay.

I've yet to see any advances on those three on Ebay, and I've been looking for 10 years....

[1949threepence]

1 hour ago, blakeyboy said:

Agree absolutely.

My F67 is NEF, an accidental find in a cheap tin of stuff.

My F77 is NVF, and my F78 is NEF, both cheap, not noticed, on Ebay.

I've yet to see any advances on those three on Ebay, and I've been looking for 10 years....

Or anywhere else for that matter. I've not seen another quality F67 since that one above in 2015.

[PWA 1967]

On 5/11/2023 at 7:26 PM, secret santa said:

Some rare pennies in the Spink auction:

The Numismatic Collector's Series Featuring The George Blaine Collection Part IV

e - Auction

Ends: 17 May 2023 at 10:30 AM EDT
Spink USA | 458 Lots  

VIEW ON SPINK LIVE

 

 

https://live.spink.com/lots/view/4-9RFQ1T/great-britain-george-v-1910-1936-variety-group-of-1913-pennies-f174-obverse-1-reverse-a-

I am not sure which one the Rare F176 is 😃

[secret santa]

1 hour ago, PWA 1967 said:

I am not sure which one the Rare F176 is 

I'm not sure it's there.

[1949threepence]

5 hours ago, blakeyboy said:

Agree absolutely.

My F67 is NEF, an accidental find in a cheap tin of stuff.

My F77 is NVF, and my F78 is NEF, both cheap, not noticed, on Ebay.

I've yet to see any advances on those three on Ebay, and I've been looking for 10 years....

Also, I was looking at 1874 sales from LCA over the years, earler, and the evidence shows that single UNC examples of F67, F68 and F78 sold in 2009, and a further instance for F67 in 2006. For F67, F68, F77 and F78, of the 18 sold since 2003, 12 of them were from 2011 or before. 

There was no example of an F77 above VF in ANY, the last VF example being September 2010.  

[alfnail]

I'm thinking you probably have nice examples of all those Mike!! 😉

 

[1949threepence]

40 minutes ago, alfnail said:

I'm thinking you probably have nice examples of all those Mike!! 😉

 

I do now Ian, yes 

Incidentally, one slight error I made above regarding the F67. A superb specimen sold at the Copthorne collection May 2016, which post dates my purchase. But generally, the evidence seems to indicate that the already very scarce supply has dried up still further in recent years. I suspect quite a few must be in private collections (such as mine in all fairness), and staying there.  

 

[PWA 1967]

1826 penny inverted FAKE.

Thought i would share this just incase anyone sees one for sale and before they perhaps pay to much for one ,believing it to be genuine.

I could not tell looking at one ,no signs of anything to the outside edge or inner rim ,right weight ,size , looks genuine.

BUT i had two and found pictures of another ,they are all the same with the same bag marks etc and could easily be passed off as genuine if you are not able to compare with another.

Similar to the 1905 Half crowns that were done in the seventies and look real but all the same.

 

 

[copper123]

Really looks quite convincing the reverse looks a little weakly struck but could easy pass off as real

Unlike the 1945 silver threepence on ebay up for sale at £95,000 its obviously a fake