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[PWA 1967]

One just back from NGC MS65 and Scarcer year in high grade 1878.

 

 

Edited April 1, 2023 by PWA 1967

[PWA 1967]

1854/3 with the note from when Michael Freeman sold the coin on eBay ,i have folded the note over as has the original buyers name and address on.

Edited April 1, 2023 by PWA 1967

[PWA 1967]

1844 Plain tails DFF ,like most copper penny varieties not many about in EF or better.

Not the best picture in the plastic 😀

 

Edited April 4, 2023 by PWA 1967

[PWA 1967]

NGC get plenty wrong ,some more so than others.

The coin label has now been changed and the coin not mine ,imagine getting this back 😂

 

[1949threepence]

3 hours ago, PWA 1967 said:

NGC get plenty wrong ,some more so than others.

The coin label has now been changed and the coin not mine ,imagine getting this back 😂

 

Unreal.

I reckon you could tell them what you like, and it would be accepted as fact. 

[oldcopper]

3 hours ago, PWA 1967 said:

NGC get plenty wrong ,some more so than others.

The coin label has now been changed and the coin not mine ,imagine getting this back 😂

 

it would be worth even more than a copper one if it really was 60/59!

[Rob]

3 hours ago, PWA 1967 said:

NGC get plenty wrong ,some more so than others.

The coin label has now been changed and the coin not mine ,imagine getting this back 😂

 

Don't throw good money after bad. Crack it out and move on. And treat the TPG as the sh*tshow it manifestly is. Don't reward them for getting it wrong

[1949threepence]

On 3/23/2023 at 11:56 AM, alfnail said:

Spinks e-auction now online and a couple of their penny descriptions aren't brilliant either..... including a far better than usual 1854 No Colons, Bramah 17a. 

 

 

On 3/31/2023 at 1:05 PM, 1949threepence said:

Thanks for the heads up on this Ian. Just won for £210 hammer (so £252 with 20% juice added). As you say far better than normal.

Will do pics when it arrives, as Spinks often don't do justice to the coin, with their seemingly less than high definition photos.   

So here are my pics, I'd rate the coin as a straight VF, which is pretty much above the average for this rare piece. I'd already got one, but it's only VG, and cleaned to within an inch of its life.

Once again Ian, thanks. 

   

[alfnail]

I have a lower grade example of the 1854 No Colons for sale, which can do for around a third of what Mike paid for the above coin.

PM me if interested.

 

[1949threepence]

4 hours ago, alfnail said:

I have a lower grade example of the 1854 No Colons for sale, which can do for around a third of what Mike paid for the above coin.

PM me if interested.

 

 

The 1854 no colons penny is decidedly scarce if not rare. 

Maybe once or twice a year, an example will present itself somewhere, generally in worn condition. 

[Bruce]

 

Finally have time to take pictures of the 1853 Penny Intermediate colon received before.  Pity that there's edge bruise at obverse, however it's still a lovely penny to appreciate.

Edited April 13, 2023 by Bruce

[Bruce]

[1949threepence]

1 hour ago, Bruce said:

 

Finally have time to take pictures of the 1853 Penny Intermediate colon received before.  Pity that there's edge bruise at obverse, however it's still a lovely penny to appreciate.

 

Bruce - indeed - that's a very, very nice example of the rare Bramah 15 intermediate colon. Neat capture.

[alfnail]

For anyone who is interested in Victorian Young Head penny sub-varieties.

Yesterday I managed to acquire an upgraded example for my 1857OT Gouby Style B (Narrow Date).

I knew this sub-variety was very difficult to locate, so I decided to update my ‘5 year’ statistics (all ebay YH listings). Some may recall I shared these on the forum about 6 months ago when there was a discussion about different numeral 7 fonts, and the rarity of the ‘long 7’ type of font in particular.

A close up of Gouby Style B is pictured below, together with the revised stats from my ‘5 year’ study period. On this date style the numerals 5 and 7 are very close, and both exhibit repairs which can be seen under the microscope, but not so clear on the poor reference example on Gouby’s website.

The stats show that I found only 15 examples of this particular date style, making it far rarer than the ‘long 7’ Gouby Style E. For comparison, during the same period I found 76 x 1856OT’s, 59 x 1853PT’s and 50 x 1844DFF’s.

Now I need to just move on 20 years and find a few more narrow date pennies!!

 

[1949threepence]

6 hours ago, alfnail said:

For anyone who is interested in Victorian Young Head penny sub-varieties.

Yesterday I managed to acquire an upgraded example for my 1857OT Gouby Style B (Narrow Date).

I knew this sub-variety was very difficult to locate, so I decided to update my ‘5 year’ statistics (all ebay YH listings). Some may recall I shared these on the forum about 6 months ago when there was a discussion about different numeral 7 fonts, and the rarity of the ‘long 7’ type of font in particular.

A close up of Gouby Style B is pictured below, together with the revised stats from my ‘5 year’ study period. On this date style the numerals 5 and 7 are very close, and both exhibit repairs which can be seen under the microscope, but not so clear on the poor reference example on Gouby’s website.

The stats show that I found only 15 examples of this particular date style, making it far rarer than the ‘long 7’ Gouby Style E. For comparison, during the same period I found 76 x 1856OT’s, 59 x 1853PT’s and 50 x 1844DFF’s.

Now I need to just move on 20 years and find a few more narrow date pennies!!

 

But presumably Ian, not one of your 76 OT 1856 finds was in high grade? 

[oldcopper]

19 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

But presumably Ian, not one of your 76 OT 1856 finds was in high grade? 

There have been a few 56 OT's in high grade over the last 2 decades - Pywell-Phillips SCA 2018 (ex somewhere else but I've forgotten where), Baldwins 47 (Gregory II) - later sold London Coins, fantastic coin, nearly full lustre, Mark Rasmussen list 15 ( Old British Collection) - ditto almost BU, Dave Craddock also had a nice one in his tray several years ago.

[Bruce]

1 hour ago, oldcopper said:

There have been a few 56 OT's in high grade over the last 2 decades - Pywell-Phillips SCA 2018 (ex somewhere else but I've forgotten where), Baldwins 47 (Gregory II) - later sold London Coins, fantastic coin, nearly full lustre, Mark Rasmussen list 15 ( Old British Collection) - ditto almost BU, Dave Craddock also had a nice one in his tray several years ago.

I also see 2 56 in auctions in past few months, i only remember the one at Warwick seems grade EF.  Is it implied the 56 is not as rare as we think before?

[alfnail]

22 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

But presumably Ian, not one of your 76 OT 1856 finds was in high grade? 

Hi Mike,

A quick scan through those 76 images indicates to me that about half were rubbish / very low grade, but there were about 10 in VF or even a tad better, and there were 2 that looked in very collectable better grade. I attach those images fyi 

[1949threepence]

4 hours ago, oldcopper said:

There have been a few 56 OT's in high grade over the last 2 decades - Pywell-Phillips SCA 2018 (ex somewhere else but I've forgotten where), Baldwins 47 (Gregory II) - later sold London Coins, fantastic coin, nearly full lustre, Mark Rasmussen list 15 ( Old British Collection) - ditto almost BU, Dave Craddock also had a nice one in his tray several years ago.

Yes, the superb LCA specimen you mention, went in December 2009 for £950 hammer. I do remember the Dave Craddock one, but obviously there was no photo and it had gone by the time I enquired.   

2 hours ago, Bruce said:

I also see 2 56 in auctions in past few months, i only remember the one at Warwick seems grade EF.  Is it implied the 56 is not as rare as we think before?

The PT isn't that difficult to get in high grade. It's the OT that's seemingly difficult. 

56 minutes ago, alfnail said:

Hi Mike,

A quick scan through those 76 images indicates to me that about half were rubbish / very low grade, but there were about 10 in VF or even a tad better, and there were 2 that looked in very collectable better grade. I attach those images fyi 

Yes, they would be very collectable, Ian.

[PWA 1967]

A couple just back from NGC both really nice in hand , sellers pictures who i bought them off.

1891 MS65 RED  1894 MS65 RB.

[blakeyboy]

1 hour ago, PWA 1967 said:

A couple just back from NGC both really nice in hand , sellers pictures who i bought them off.

1891 MS65 RED  1894 MS65 RB.

 

 

You mean "really nice in plastic"....

[PWA 1967]

A nice 1797 Penny 10 Leaves NGC MS64  ,better lustre than i was able to capture in the picture  ,without the normal contact marks.

Edited May 4, 2023 by PWA 1967

[copper123]

16 hours ago, PWA 1967 said:

A nice 1797 Penny 10 Leaves NGC MS64  ,better lustre than i was able to capture in the picture  ,without the normal contact marks.

nice ship and waves sez it all really

[Coinery]

On 5/4/2023 at 3:32 AM, PWA 1967 said:

A nice 1797 Penny 10 Leaves NGC MS64  ,better lustre than i was able to capture in the picture  ,without the normal contact marks.

Everyone should have a nice example of one of these. Such lovely coins!

[secret santa]

Some rare pennies in the Spink auction:

The Numismatic Collector's Series Featuring The George Blaine Collection Part IV

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