Lcn Auction - 1877 Narrow Date Penny

[Colin88]

Lot 1926 - actually doesnt look that bad.

I regret not being able to buy the one that Rob had a while back mainly due to lack of funds at the time. Will have a crack at this one for sure.

Lot 2629 - Malcolm Ellis offered me a complete set of Maundy many years ago. I turned my nose up at them, big mistake clearly !

[Accumulator]

Be interesting to see how high it goes!

[azda]

I also noted a couple of lots in this sale which don't make any sense, lot 1915 an open 3 1863 penny graded as Fine, estimate £100-£150 the next lot 1916, same coin but graded as VG, estimates £175-£225 how does that work?

Then we have lots 1405 and 1406 both 1902 Crowns both exact same grades and descriptions yet 2 different estimates

[pies]

Just cant see me spending that amount of money for a coin that looks so poor, i know its rare but id rather spend my money on something that looks better

Each to his/her own though

[RLC35]

I also noted a couple of lots in this sale which don't make any sense, lot 1915 an open 3 1863 penny graded as Fine, estimate £100-£150 the next lot 1916, same coin but graded as VG, estimates £175-£225 how does that work?

Then we have lots 1405 and 1406 both 1902 Crowns both exact same grades and descriptions yet 2 different estimates

Dave the 1st 1863 open 3, Fine (really VF) has a hunk out of the upper rim on the Obverse. That is probably the reason for the price difference. BTW lot 2441 is a really nice 1863 open 3, and lot 2439 is a 1862 small date in fair condition.

Edited May 11, 2014 by RLC35

[azda]

A hunk or not Bob, its still better than the Disc in the next lot which has a larger estimate. Still Makes no sense too me

[Colin88]

Just cant see me spending that amount of money for a coin that looks so poor, i know its rare but id rather spend my money on something that looks better

Each to his/her own though

Its a question of completing a collection ...any serious collector of bronze pennies knows that there are only a very limited number of R18+ pennies available to them and in the case of the 1877 narrow date they might only get an opportunity once or twice to buy one....and none of them are in high grade.

[newkidontheblock]

On the subject of Maundy, is there a way to tell pre 1927 Maundy threepences apart from their ordinary counterparts?

[azda]

On the subject of Maundy, is there a way to tell pre 1927 Maundy threepences apart from their ordinary counterparts?

There is no subject of maundy. They were talking pennies. So on the subject of 1927 threepences, of course there's a way too Tell the difference. A normal 3D was only made in proof for 1927 and it has the acorn reverse, a maundy 3D has a large 3 on the REV, but as i've just read PRE 1927 then thats a little more difficult and i'm not sure of that answer.

Hold on, someone will arrive soon

Edited May 12, 2014 by azda

[newkidontheblock]

I was referring to the original post, which mentioned two lots, one of which was a penny, the other a set of Maundy... I'm aware that from 1927 onwards it is possible to tell the difference, but I've heard that before that it is significantly harder and was just wondering if anyone had any tips...

[azda]

I think the complete set of maundy was meant as every Single set for Chas II through to your present Monarch however many sets that is at present is anyones guess

[Gary1000]

I was referring to the original post, which mentioned two lots, one of which was a penny, the other a set of Maundy... I'm aware that from 1927 onwards it is possible to tell the difference, but I've heard that before that it is significantly harder and was just wondering if anyone had any tips...

From 1900 onwards the Maundy issues are proof-like so it's quite easy to tell. I believe, although it's not my area of collecting that earier Victorian and older becomes much more difficult.

[Colin88]

The complete set of Maundy from Chas II to 2013 is 252 sets.

[pies]

Just cant see me spending that amount of money for a coin that looks so poor, i know its rare but id rather spend my money on something that looks better

Each to his/her own though

Its a question of completing a collection ...any serious collector of bronze pennies knows that there are only a very limited number of R18+ pennies available to them and in the case of the 1877 narrow date they might only get an opportunity once or twice to buy one....and none of them are in high grade.

I think Bobs was quite a high grade

[Bronze & Copper Collector]

Just cant see me spending that amount of money for a coin that looks so poor, i know its rare but id rather spend my money on something that looks better

Each to his/her own though

Its a question of completing a collection ...any serious collector of bronze pennies knows that there are only a very limited number of R18+ pennies available to them and in the case of the 1877 narrow date they might only get an opportunity once or twice to buy one....and none of them are in high grade.

I think Bobs was quite a high grade

Although I can't say definitely, it was probably the finest known... certainly the finest I have ever seen imaged... "The exception that proves the rule."

[azda]

I've seen an UNC one

[Bronze & Copper Collector]

I've seen an UNC one

Blessed are the chosen ones.....

I didn't think an unc F-90 existed today

[Accumulator]

I've seen an UNC one

Blessed are the chosen ones.....

I didn't think an unc F-90 existed today

Bob's was the best I've seen. I've never heard of an UNC example, unless you have one in your pension fund Dave?

[mike]

I also noted a couple of lots in this sale which don't make any sense, lot 1915 an open 3 1863 penny graded as Fine, estimate £100-£150 the next lot 1916, same coin but graded as VG, estimates £175-£225 how does that work?

Then we have lots 1405 and 1406 both 1902 Crowns both exact same grades and descriptions yet 2 different estimates

Dave the 1st 1863 open 3, Fine (really VF) has a hunk out of the upper rim on the Obverse. That is probably the reason for the price difference. BTW lot 2441 is a really nice 1863 open 3, and lot 2439 is a 1862 small date in fair condition.

Another reason for the price difference could be simply sellers reserve… As far as I know when consigning coins to auction you can usually choose between Auction House reserve and your own reserve (with higher commission).

[RLC35]

I've seen an UNC one

Blessed are the chosen ones.....

I didn't think an unc F-90 existed today

Bob's was the best I've seen. I've never heard of an UNC example, unless you have one in your pension fund Dave?

Here is my 1877ND. It is not quite VF, but is better than the one slabbed by CGS as Fine. I hand delivered this one to the new owner, in Britain, last September. I wish I had it back! Ha,Ha.

[Colin88]

With the exception of the UNC one that Azda mentioned (I'd love to see that puppy), I would suggest that Rob's is/was therefore the second finest known?

[Rob]

With the exception of the UNC one that Azda mentioned (I'd love to see that puppy), I would suggest that Rob's is/was therefore the second finest known?

You may rest assured that I do not have, nor have I ever had a narrow date 1877 penny. However, should I inadvertently acquire an uncirculated example, I will have to consider what to do with it............

[Peckris]

I've seen an UNC one

Blessed are the chosen ones.....

I didn't think an unc F-90 existed today

Bob's was the best I've seen. I've never heard of an UNC example, unless you have one in your pension fund Dave?

Here is my 1877ND. It is not quite VF, but is better than the one slabbed by CGS as Fine. I hand delivered this one to the new owner, in Britain, last September. I wish I had it back! Ha,Ha.

Sorry to be rude, but that is nowhere near VF - I'd only rate it F or GF at best.

[azda]

Sorry, confusion reigns. I was talking about the1863 open 3 penny

[RLC35]

I've seen an UNC one

Blessed are the chosen ones.....

I didn't think an unc F-90 existed today

Bob's was the best I've seen. I've never heard of an UNC example, unless you have one in your pension fund Dave?

Here is my 1877ND. It is not quite VF, but is better than the one slabbed by CGS as Fine. I hand delivered this one to the new owner, in Britain, last September. I wish I had it back! Ha,Ha.

Sorry to be rude, but that is nowhere near VF - I'd only rate it F or GF at best.

You are right Peck...it is rude. Ha,Ha! Probably GF to NVF is the correct grading range. The advanced collector that bought it, had a GF example, and mine was better than his.