More Coin Ticket Help Anyone?

[TomGoodheart]

Grey (or might once have been dull green) with slightly faded blue ink. 32mm / 1¼ inch diameter.

Is the XIV 894 a cabinet number? And RCB A.477 a lot number, or rather stock/listing number?

Any help appreciated!

Edited November 19, 2013 by TomGoodheart

[Rob]

It looks like a Seaby ticket from when RCB's collection was dispersed post-mortem. I'll have a look a bit later.

Edited November 19, 2013 by Rob

[TomGoodheart]

It looks like a Seaby ticket from when RCB's collection was dispersed post-mortem. I'll have a look a bit later.

Thanks Rob!

[VickySilver]

RCB, dare I ask?

[TomGoodheart]

RCB, dare I ask?

Raymond Carlyon-Britton (1893-1960) followed his father's interest in coins. Many were bought by Seaby for subsequent sale. Ideally, the ticket might tie up with a Seaby catalogue.

Unfortunately the coins were sold over a number of years and, unlike the British Numismatic journal, nobody has seen fit to scan the catalogues, otherwise a search would be much simpler!

It looks like a Seaby ticket from when RCB's collection was dispersed post-mortem. I'll have a look a bit later.

Well, it does follow the layout of CA Whitton's tickets for Seaby, although I'm not sure about the size. But that would make it one of the 1949 coins?

Edited November 19, 2013 by TomGoodheart

[Rob]

Struggling here. There aren't many sceptre shillings listed. 1949 and the surrounding years saw two examples which appear to have stayed in the trays for a while. One less than fine for 8/- to 10/6 and a gFine to nVF at 21/-. However, neither had stock numbers that were remotely like the above. TBH, without knowing what the coin was and its grade, there's a fair amount of p***ing in the wind. Fair Tower shillings were still selling for 6/- in 1960, so it could be any time over a 20 year period. Unfortunately I'm missing 2 issues in the 1940-1960 period, so a complete check wasn't possible. Sorry.

Edited November 20, 2013 by Rob

[TomGoodheart]

Struggling here. There aren't many sceptre shillings listed. 1949 and the surrounding years saw two examples which appear to have stayed in the trays for a while. One less than fine for 8/- to 10/6 and a gFine to nVF at 21/-. However, neither had stock numbers that were remotely like the above. TBH, without knowing what the coin was and its grade, there's a fair amount of p***ing in the wind. Fair Tower shillings were still selling for 6/- in 1960, so it could be any time over a 20 year period. Unfortunately I'm missing 2 issues in the 1940-1960 period, so a complete check wasn't possible. Sorry.

Thanks very much for trying Rob. I've posted a photo of the coin here: http://www.predecimal.com/forum/topic/3664-coin-aquisition-of-the-week/?p=94222

It's a shame more coins weren't illustrated back then. It would make identifying them rather easier, though I know it wasn't economical. Still, an RCB link is nice, even if I can't pin it down to a particular sale. I might try the vendor ...

[coin watch]

I have four RCB coins, three of which have his tickets. I'll PM you the details of them, but they don't look like this one!...so maybe a stock ticket?

[TomGoodheart]

I have four RCB coins, three of which have his tickets. I'll PM you the details of them, but they don't look like this one!...so maybe a stock ticket?

Thanks! The RCB tickets I've seen are a bright blue, sometimes with a stock number stamped on them in black ink.

I'm inclined to think that this is a Seaby ticket and, although it's an RCB coin, written by someone else. The fact that it says "Parliament" rather than Chas suggests to me it was one of a number of related coins, so a stock, rather than an actual collector's ticket makes more sense.

Eaglen says that the collector Cuthbert Whitton wrote many of the tickets for the coins that RCB sold on commission through Seaby 1949-. Of course, it might not be Whitton as it could be one of the later (1959) portion of coins bought by Seaby and sold subsequently ...

Sadly, it might be impossible to properly track down as most of the Seaby Bulletin coins don't seem to be illustrated and descriptions of just a grade and price aren't conclusive. But I thought I'd try and find out what I could. Everyone here has added to my understanding and so I'm grateful for that!

Edited November 20, 2013 by TomGoodheart

[Rob]

The ticket doesn't look like it is in Whitton's hand. The attached is the 'Cost me' column from the catalogue of his own sale in 1943. The lower case m is distinctly different as is the 2. It isn't the ticket style used in the 1959 sale via Seaby. I have a coin from this and will see if the ticket is imaged anywhere.

[TomGoodheart]

The ticket doesn't look like it is in Whitton's hand. The attached is the 'Cost me' column from the catalogue of his own sale in 1943. The lower case m is distinctly different as is the 2. It isn't the ticket style used in the 1959 sale via Seaby. I have a coin from this and will see if the ticket is imaged anywhere.

OK. I'm now wondering about Frank Purvey(!) Mainly because the ticket in Eaglen has the King's name underlined by a wavy line; an unusual feature. Plus his writing appears to have a slight backward slope. With how the numbers are formed and rather loose letter 'P', it's a ... 'perhaps'!

Of course, it may not be anyone significant at all. Though it would be nice to pin it down to a particular hand. For dating purposes, if nothing else.

Edited November 20, 2013 by TomGoodheart

[Peter]

I've just come accross this book.

http://www.coinsweekly.com/en/Archive/8?&id=61&type=n

(whilst looking for Spink)

[RLC35]

I've just come accross this book.

http://www.coinsweekly.com/en/Archive/8?&id=61&type=n

(whilst looking for Spink)

John is a member of the Forum.....

[TomGoodheart]

I've just come accross this book.

http://www.coinsweekly.com/en/Archive/8?&id=61&type=n

(whilst looking for Spink)

Interesting. Thanks Peter! I wonder how it compares with Manville and Robertson's "British Numismatic Auction Catalogues, 1710-1984 "

But not cheap .. and I have a couple of auction catalogues I have my eyes on that will cost me a fortune. Well, seriously dent my coin buying budget anyway. I wish building a reference library was cheaper.

[Rob]

Complications here. How many John Springs do you want? Totally different John Spring. This one also lives in the London area and sells catalogues

Tried to do a multi-quote but it failed. On the question of price, £60 is not a huge amount for a reference book. I was paying that sort of money for some books at university in the 70s, and there were far more printed than is likely for a specialist coin related book. Even at school earlier in the decade, the biology textbook for A level cost £30 - or about the same as a lesser quality first generation scientific calculator. M&R used to cost about £40-45, but is now out of print.

Edited November 23, 2013 by Rob

[RLC35]

Complications here. How many John Springs do you want? Totally different John Spring. This one also lives in the London area and sells catalogues

Tried to do a multi-quote but it failed. On the question of price, £60 is not a huge amount for a reference book. I was paying that sort of money for some books at university in the 70s, and there were far more printed than is likely for a specialist coin related book. Even at school earlier in the decade, the biology textbook for A level cost £30 - or about the same as a lesser quality first generation scientific calculator. M&R used to cost about £40-45, but is now out of print.

I am assuming it is not Chingford then?

[Chingford]

Complications here. How many John Springs do you want? Totally different John Spring. This one also lives in the London area and sells catalogues

Tried to do a multi-quote but it failed. On the question of price, £60 is not a huge amount for a reference book. I was paying that sort of money for some books at university in the 70s, and there were far more printed than is likely for a specialist coin related book. Even at school earlier in the decade, the biology textbook for A level cost £30 - or about the same as a lesser quality first generation scientific calculator. M&R used to cost about £40-45, but is now out of print.

I am assuming it is not Chingford then?

Morning All, Robs right, unfortunately not me or Family,

The chap in question used to attend the London Coin Shows in Bloomsbury, selling old catalogues and books, I saw him my last time there but that was at the end of last year, I haven't been to any this year.

.

He had a website called Springnumbooks, I tried it this morning but the link doesn't work anymore,

John

Edited November 24, 2013 by Chingford

[Gary D]

Complications here. How many John Springs do you want? Totally different John Spring. This one also lives in the London area and sells catalogues

Tried to do a multi-quote but it failed. On the question of price, £60 is not a huge amount for a reference book. I was paying that sort of money for some books at university in the 70s, and there were far more printed than is likely for a specialist coin related book. Even at school earlier in the decade, the biology textbook for A level cost £30 - or about the same as a lesser quality first generation scientific calculator. M&R used to cost about £40-45, but is now out of print.

The books for my sons 1st year Engineering degree come to about £600. Luckily you can get an ebook of the important bits for only £150, and that's for only 3 downloads.

[TomGoodheart]

Complications here. How many John Springs do you want? Totally different John Spring. This one also lives in the London area and sells catalogues

Tried to do a multi-quote but it failed. On the question of price, £60 is not a huge amount for a reference book. I was paying that sort of money for some books at university in the 70s, and there were far more printed than is likely for a specialist coin related book. Even at school earlier in the decade, the biology textbook for A level cost £30 - or about the same as a lesser quality first generation scientific calculator. M&R used to cost about £40-45, but is now out of print.

Vines & Rees Rob? Ah, the good old days. Whatever happened to all those facts I supposedly learned though?

And on the subject of price, I found an auction catalogue I want, but it's part of a lot and that's over £375. I feel that's a bit steep for one catalogue, even if I had the money free, which I don't!

Of course, if anyone wanted some medal catalogues, I'd buy the coin one I want out of the lot ...shame nobody here (afaik) is interested in medals as well ...

Edited November 24, 2013 by TomGoodheart

[declanwmagee]

Vines & Rees saw me safely through to an E in my Biology 'A' level !

[Peter]

The kids today don't know how lucky they are with the internet,plagiarism etc

[Accumulator]

Complications here. How many John Springs do you want? Totally different John Spring. This one also lives in the London area and sells catalogues

Tried to do a multi-quote but it failed. On the question of price, £60 is not a huge amount for a reference book. I was paying that sort of money for some books at university in the 70s, and there were far more printed than is likely for a specialist coin related book. Even at school earlier in the decade, the biology textbook for A level cost £30 - or about the same as a lesser quality first generation scientific calculator. M&R used to cost about £40-45, but is now out of print.

I am assuming it is not Chingford then?

Morning All, Robs right, unfortunately not me or Family,

The chap in question used to attend the London Coin Shows in Bloomsbury, selling old catalogues and books, I saw him my last time there but that was at the end of last year, I haven't been to any this year.

.

He had a website called Springnumbooks, I tried it this morning but the link doesn't work anymore,

John

I bumped into John at Coinex (I think?) last year, selling old books and catalogues. I always assumed you were one and the same! Is he interested in the copper penny series, or is that only yourself? I'd once heard that one of you might even be considering a book? A definitive book is badly needed and, with a good numbering system, might even replace Peck and Bramah in auction descriptions for 1837-1860 (and perhaps even 1797 - 1860).

[TomGoodheart]

And a 'C' in A Level Biology enabled me to study Biochemistry at London University...

with the resulting Third securing me a research post at a leading London Medical School.

The kids today don't know how lucky they are ...

Abso.. oh, wait ..

[Peckris]

Complications here. How many John Springs do you want? Totally different John Spring. This one also lives in the London area and sells catalogues

Tried to do a multi-quote but it failed. On the question of price, £60 is not a huge amount for a reference book. I was paying that sort of money for some books at university in the 70s, and there were far more printed than is likely for a specialist coin related book. Even at school earlier in the decade, the biology textbook for A level cost £30 - or about the same as a lesser quality first generation scientific calculator. M&R used to cost about £40-45, but is now out of print.

On a maintenance grant between £400 - £500 per annum??

[Rob]

Complications here. How many John Springs do you want? Totally different John Spring. This one also lives in the London area and sells catalogues

Tried to do a multi-quote but it failed. On the question of price, £60 is not a huge amount for a reference book. I was paying that sort of money for some books at university in the 70s, and there were far more printed than is likely for a specialist coin related book. Even at school earlier in the decade, the biology textbook for A level cost £30 - or about the same as a lesser quality first generation scientific calculator. M&R used to cost about £40-45, but is now out of print.

On a maintenance grant between £400 - £500 per annum??

It's the same as it's always been. Usefulness doesn't have a unit cost. If you need it, sort it out.