will1976 Posted November 15, 2019 Posted November 15, 2019 13 minutes ago, Peckris 2 said: Is that shilling sized? It's 22mm diameter so as good as, like you say the spade Guinea types are very inaccurate but this one (like my others) is about the thickness of a shilling too. I've not seen this design before and need to do some research, the portrait of the king isn't an exact match to my others but is very, very close so possibly a different maker Quote
Peckris 2 Posted November 15, 2019 Posted November 15, 2019 34 minutes ago, will1976 said: It's 22mm diameter so as good as, like you say the spade Guinea types are very inaccurate but this one (like my others) is about the thickness of a shilling too. I've not seen this design before and need to do some research, the portrait of the king isn't an exact match to my others but is very, very close so possibly a different maker the obverse portrait is almost exactly the Wyon portrait. Quote
will1976 Posted November 15, 2019 Posted November 15, 2019 My other examples are by the die sinker T.W. Ingram, I'll put a picture up tomorrow of this one and an Ingram piece side by side for comparison Quote
will1976 Posted November 16, 2019 Posted November 16, 2019 The token on the right is the Ingram piece, the main difference is the hair curls on the top of the head Quote
Peckris 2 Posted November 16, 2019 Posted November 16, 2019 4 hours ago, will1976 said: The token on the right is the Ingram piece, the main difference is the hair curls on the top of the head That's a pretty good copy - you can see that it's "just" wrong enough (though only slightly) not to have been taken from a cast made from a genuine coin. 1 Quote
Paulus Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 My first what I would call 'passable' George I farthing 7 Quote
JLS Posted November 19, 2019 Posted November 19, 2019 On 11/16/2019 at 2:20 PM, will1976 said: The token on the right is the Ingram piece, the main difference is the hair curls on the top of the head From my junk drawer so to speak, the following two pieces with similar psuedo-Wyon busts: both by Kettle and Son, Birmingham presumably, based on style - note that they are definitely by the same manufacturer as the same defective E punch has been used in the name of GEORGE. I may well have others lying around somewhere... 1 Quote
will1976 Posted November 19, 2019 Posted November 19, 2019 9 hours ago, JLS said: : both by Kettle and Son, Birmingham presumably I don't have any (identified) Kettle pieces....what are the reverse designs? Quote
JLS Posted November 19, 2019 Posted November 19, 2019 2 hours ago, will1976 said: I don't have any (identified) Kettle pieces....what are the reverse designs? Like so. I believe these are Kettle pieces as another one of the "Beloved and Lamented" pieces (BHM 1379) is signed KETTLE under the bust. These came from a bulk lot a while back at Lockdales. 1 Quote
Paulus Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 Just 7 Kempson's Birmingham Buildings to go! Prices are getting higher every week it seems ... latest addition 4 Quote
will1976 Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Paulus said: Just 7 Kempson's Birmingham Buildings to go! Well done! I did have a bid on it but was nowhere near, wrong time of the month for me. It's one from the DNW sale 3rd of Oct, I'm keeping an eye out for some of the others in that group Quote
Paulus Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, will1976 said: Well done! I did have a bid on it but was nowhere near, wrong time of the month for me. It's one from the DNW sale 3rd of Oct, I'm keeping an eye out for some of the others in that group Thanks Will, I know there are some we are both still after! Quote
will1976 Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Paulus said: there are some we are both still after! We'll get there..........eventually! Quote
Paulus Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 On 11/18/2019 at 11:21 PM, Paulus said: My first what I would call 'passable' George I farthing @PeterI would value your opinion? 2 Quote
copper123 Posted November 25, 2019 Posted November 25, 2019 George i farthings are dificult in nice grades Quote
bagerap Posted November 25, 2019 Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) I also have one of these George IV tokens. Thought they were listed in BHM, but wrong. The ones described above as not being Ingram usually have a stop after BRITAIN. Edited November 25, 2019 by bagerap Spelling Quote
will1976 Posted November 26, 2019 Posted November 26, 2019 A new farthing token arrived today, I would welcome thoughts/ideas on the portrait (right facing for Victoria) and if members agree with me that it's the same die used as the unofficial farthing of G.Browne. Also thoughts on the reverse, is it St Andrew? Thank you all Quote
will1976 Posted November 26, 2019 Posted November 26, 2019 And the picture to compare portraits..... 2 Quote
Paddy Posted November 26, 2019 Posted November 26, 2019 The portraits certainly look very similar - maybe a slight difference at the base of the bust? That may be to do with the removal or addition of the Pinches logo. Reverse definitely looks to be St Andrew - the X shaped cross along with the thistles in the wreathes look conclusive. Nice token! Quote
Paulus Posted November 26, 2019 Posted November 26, 2019 It is St. Andrew, as per the D&H description on my Edinburgh token here Obverse: St. Andrew with his cross between thistles. Quote
will1976 Posted November 26, 2019 Posted November 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, Paddy said: The portraits certainly look very similar Yes that was my thought too, the curls at the back of Victoria's hair are slightly different too but I think that's because the pinches piece isn't fully struck up 7 minutes ago, Paulus said: Obverse: St. Andrew with his cross between thistles. Thank you Paul 👍🏻 Quote
JLS Posted November 26, 2019 Posted November 26, 2019 6 hours ago, will1976 said: And the picture to compare portraits..... Interesting piece. I wonder if it was produced as a "general" Scottish token analogous to the anonymous Glasgow issue (W7450). Don't have an example of this myself. Quote
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