Gary Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 Does anyone know what this is?It is supposedly made of blackened copper!42mm in dia. and weighs 45g! Quote
azda Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 Looks very modern to me.Does to me also, the hair detail is quite a giveaway, its far to sharp Quote
TomGoodheart Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 What are the letters on the shoulder? (Look like CHR? to me). Might give a clue. Quote
bagerap Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 Same weight and size as this. Modern fantasy, sells well overseas. Quote
azda Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 What are the letters on the shoulder? (Look like CHR? to me). Might give a clue.Probably C H K Richard, those initials were also on the Bank dollar issues on the Armour by the shoulder Quote
Rob Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 What are the letters on the shoulder? (Look like CHR? to me). Might give a clue.Probably C H K Richard, those initials were also on the Bank dollar issues on the Armour by the shoulderCHK Conrad Heinrich Kuchler. Employed at Soho where the 5/- dollar coins were overstruck. Quote
Peckris Posted October 28, 2013 Posted October 28, 2013 Does anyone know what this is?It is supposedly made of blackened copper!42mm in dia. and weighs 45g!Yes, it's a modern Mint-produced fantasy piece reproducing an actual obverse of Geo III and a pattern penny reverse closely resembling that in Peck 1084. However, I think it's one of the better ones, and the 'darkened proof' appearance is attractive. I got one from eBay for £10 which I considered was worth the outlay. Quote
Coinery Posted October 28, 2013 Posted October 28, 2013 Yes, it's a modern Mint-produced fantasy piece...I got one from eBay for £10 which I considered was worth the outlay.Peck! Now I'm lost and confused, I'm giving this all up, it's just too stressful! Quote
Gary Posted October 28, 2013 Author Posted October 28, 2013 (edited) Thanks Gents,Same weight and size as this. Modern fantasy, sells well overseas.Same Obv. BadgerDoes anyone know what this is?It is supposedly made of blackened copper!42mm in dia. and weighs 45g!Yes, it's a modern Mint-produced fantasy piece reproducing an actual obverse of Geo III and a pattern penny reverse closely resembling that in Peck 1084. However, I think it's one of the better ones, and the 'darkened proof' appearance is attractive. I got one from eBay for £10 which I considered was worth the outlay.I liked the look of it too Peck which is why I also bought one Edited October 28, 2013 by Gary Quote
bagerap Posted October 28, 2013 Posted October 28, 2013 AFAIK there are at least 7 fantasies using that same obverse. Quote
Coinery Posted October 28, 2013 Posted October 28, 2013 (edited) AFAIK there are at least 7 fantasies using that same obverse.Oh, B'Jesus, they come in varieties and die-pairs? Edit: Oh, Gary, no, not you AND Peck? Edited October 28, 2013 by Coinery Quote
bagerap Posted October 28, 2013 Posted October 28, 2013 I can remember the 10? Rix dollar for Ceylon, a Canadian piece as well as various Scottish and Irish pretences. But it doesn't stop there. Proof Pattern Crowns are available for every ruler from George III to Edward VIII and for every country of the empire and in all sorts of metals and finishes. As I said earlier, they sell well overseas, but in the UK probably around £5.00 retail. Quote
Coinery Posted October 28, 2013 Posted October 28, 2013 I can remember the 10? Rix dollar for Ceylon, a Canadian piece as well as various Scottish and Irish pretences. But it doesn't stop there. Proof Pattern Crowns are available for every ruler from George III to Edward VIII and for every country of the empire and in all sorts of metals and finishes. As I said earlier, they sell well overseas, but in the UK probably around £5.00 retail.I just don't see what purpose they serve overseas (or here, for that matter), why would somebody want a fantasy piece, when they can get something genuine?Is it a gift for relatives scenario abroad, on account of "what else do you buy them", or is it ignorance to the fact that 'genuine' coins are still in existence? I find it odd! Even stranger than the immeasurable "thunk" that is the coin collector! Quote
bagerap Posted October 28, 2013 Posted October 28, 2013 A search for Proof Pattern Crown on ebay tonight brings up 408 matching records. Quite a large percentage of those will end up in North America. Quote
Coinery Posted October 28, 2013 Posted October 28, 2013 A search for Proof Pattern Crown on ebay tonight brings up 408 matching records. Quite a large percentage of those will end up in North America.Eye watering, but true!!! Unbelievable...we are fools to ever think we know it all, and that life is straight forward! Quote
Peckris Posted October 28, 2013 Posted October 28, 2013 AFAIK there are at least 7 fantasies using that same obverse.Oh, B'Jesus, they come in varieties and die-pairs?Edit: Oh, Gary, no, not you AND Peck? I can remember the 10? Rix dollar for Ceylon, a Canadian piece as well as various Scottish and Irish pretences. But it doesn't stop there. Proof Pattern Crowns are available for every ruler from George III to Edward VIII and for every country of the empire and in all sorts of metals and finishes. As I said earlier, they sell well overseas, but in the UK probably around £5.00 retail.I just don't see what purpose they serve overseas (or here, for that matter), why would somebody want a fantasy piece, when they can get something genuine?Is it a gift for relatives scenario abroad, on account of "what else do you buy them", or is it ignorance to the fact that 'genuine' coins are still in existence?I find it odd! Even stranger than the immeasurable "thunk" that is the coin collector!Well there are several factors here:1. It's an attractive piece in anyone's language, so worth having 2. There's no 'original' as such, it's a kind of 'fantasy mule' if you can get your head round that 3. The closest thing to it is an 'original pattern', which in that condition would cost hundreds if not into 4 figures.4. It uses Kuchler's actual obverse, and apart from the raised cartwheel rim, a very close approximation to an actual pattern reverse.So there! It's the only fantasy piece I own, and I'd sooner have it than the ridiculous 1933 fantasy penny (I would rather have a 'genuine fake'!!) Quote
DaveG38 Posted October 28, 2013 Posted October 28, 2013 I've got a nice little set of Edward VIII fantasy wreath crowns. They cost very little yet the design and facsimile of a George V wreath is excellent. Nothing wrong with a bit of fantasy - nudge nudge!! Quote
azda Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 I have my Fantasy Linda lusardi ear muffs ready for winter, apparently she moulded them Quote
Peckris Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 I have my Fantasy Linda lusardi ear muffs ready for winter, apparently she moulded them EAR muffs? Oops no, I was thinking of Linda Lovelace... Quote
Rob Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 I have my Fantasy Linda lusardi ear muffs ready for winter, apparently she moulded them I looked, but couldn't find an appropriate image. Quote
Peter Posted October 29, 2013 Posted October 29, 2013 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2448995/Linda-Lusardi-launches-new-fashion-line.htmlShe is a few years older than me. Still fit. ear "muffs" maybe referring to her early,shall I say non Brazilian, hirsute poses with centre parting no silicon,botox or trout pout in sight although maybe a bit of artificial toning. Quote
Gary Posted October 29, 2013 Author Posted October 29, 2013 AFAIK there are at least 7 fantasies using that same obverse.Oh, B'Jesus, they come in varieties and die-pairs?Edit: Oh, Gary, no, not you AND Peck? Quote
Gary Posted October 29, 2013 Author Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) I have my Fantasy Linda lusardi ear muffs ready for winter, apparently she moulded them EAR muffs? Oops no, I was thinking of Linda Lovelace...careful Peck, your showing your age there! Ohh, if I know that then I too am showing my age, doh! Edited October 29, 2013 by Gary Quote
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