Benny who Posted December 18, 2013 Posted December 18, 2013 Nice!Thanks Peckris,there are a few little marks,however nothing really to worry about,and one of my favourite coins. Quote
Coinery Posted December 18, 2013 Posted December 18, 2013 Nice coin, that, BW! Not surprised to hear it's a favourite! Quote
Benny who Posted December 18, 2013 Posted December 18, 2013 Nice coin, that, BW! Not surprised to hear it's a favourite!always one I get out to have a look at,these are few others Quote
Benny who Posted December 18, 2013 Posted December 18, 2013 This one has a great reverse,looks like George in a misty sunset!!the obverse also is special with one of the letters being overstamped with another Quote
RLC35 Posted December 18, 2013 Posted December 18, 2013 This one has a great reverse,looks like George in a misty sunset!!the obverse also is special with one of the letters being overstamped with anotherNice coin Benny! Quote
Benny who Posted December 18, 2013 Posted December 18, 2013 This one has a great reverse,looks like George in a misty sunset!!the obverse also is special with one of the letters being overstamped with anotherNice coin Benny!Thank you the reverse is Proof like with the fields highly mirrored,there is a little doubling around the horses' hind legs and dragons back,however overall a well struck Crown. Quote
Accumulator Posted December 19, 2013 Posted December 19, 2013 This one has a great reverse,looks like George in a misty sunset!!the obverse also is special with one of the letters being overstamped with anotherNice coin Benny!Beautiful coin! Quote
Benny who Posted December 19, 2013 Posted December 19, 2013 Wow.That is just a great coin.This one has a great reverse,looks like George in a misty sunset!!the obverse also is special with one of the letters being overstamped with anotherNice coin Benny!Beautiful coin!Very niceReally lucky I found this one,I had originally bought another coin and,was offered this as well. Quote
numismatist Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 Are these genuine old toning or recently applied. They look attractive but one sellerhas so many of these for sale lately it makes no wonder ? Quote
Peckris Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 and another coupleThat first one looks definitely 'treated', certainly cleaned. Quote
numismatist Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 Seems to look like a " wiped on " appearance, another couple here,must be a dozen similar, and very unusual to see so many. Quote
Rob Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 Maybe they are just crap photographers. I can supply as many grotty images as you want that certainly don't look like the coin in hand. Quote
Coinery Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 It's interesting that you should say this, numismatist, I've noticed similar great coins in the past, and have subsequently been put off when noticing the entire portfolio to be similar in appearance! It could of course simply be nothing other than an entire collection, which has been housed and stored in similar conditions over a long period! Quote
Coinery Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 To be honest they don't look like ancient tones but, having said that, coin that we store today in our sealed flips and centrally-heated homes are also not going to develop 'ancient' tones either!We hark back to that old debate about toning! If these coins are coins recently subjected to toning conditions, having been either previously well stored, or de-toned (by whatever means), then that's no different to someone releasing a BU coin from a 'suspended' state 200 years from now...I guess? Quote
Rob Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 For all the debate about toning and not, you do come up with some things from time to time that are genuine despite the initial disbelief. 6 or 7 years ago I acquired a 1731 shilling that was sealed in the bottom of a broken Georgian drinking vessel and which was contemporary. The only toning was a blackening to the outside of the reverse legend characters, which presumably was down to the heat applied when it was sealed in. In the end I cracked it out because of the sharp edges and the fact that it didn't sit in the trays very confortably, but wonder what would people think when you have a (genuinely) full lustre coin that's 280 years old without the knowledge of it having been hermetically sealed? Would they assume it had been dipped or otherwise cleaned? About the same time Michael Gouby had a 1750 shilling in a similar state and sealed in a glass bottom. The truth is we only have a short snapshot into a coin's history. Quote
Accumulator Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 Seems to look like a " wiped on " appearance, another couple here,must be a dozen similar, and very unusual to see so many.The fifth coin looks like some of the silver I stored in pvc album pockets for nearly 40 years (not any more, I should add!), with a blue/green deposit caused by 'sweating'. It could just be the photos though. Quote
RLC35 Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 Seems to look like a " wiped on " appearance, another couple here,must be a dozen similar, and very unusual to see so many.The fifth coin looks like some of the silver I stored in pvc album pockets for nearly 40 years (not any more, I should add!), with a blue/green deposit caused by 'sweating'. It could just be the photos though.Accum, A quick dip in carbon Tet. will remove the green residue caused by polyvinyl sweating. Wear gloves though, it does not burn, but does absorb in the skin! Quote
Rob Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 Seems to look like a " wiped on " appearance, another couple here,must be a dozen similar, and very unusual to see so many.The fifth coin looks like some of the silver I stored in pvc album pockets for nearly 40 years (not any more, I should add!), with a blue/green deposit caused by 'sweating'. It could just be the photos though.Accum, A quick dip in carbon Tet. will remove the green residue caused by polyvinyl sweating. Wear gloves though, it does not burn, but does absorb in the skin!If you can get hold of any. Wonderful solvent, but a no-no under H&S regs. It's fair to say that it's easier to list what it doesn't do. Quote
RLC35 Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 Seems to look like a " wiped on " appearance, another couple here,must be a dozen similar, and very unusual to see so many.The fifth coin looks like some of the silver I stored in pvc album pockets for nearly 40 years (not any more, I should add!), with a blue/green deposit caused by 'sweating'. It could just be the photos though.Accum, A quick dip in carbon Tet. will remove the green residue caused by polyvinyl sweating. Wear gloves though, it does not burn, but does absorb in the skin!If you can get hold of any. Wonderful solvent, but a no-no under H&S regs. It's fair to say that it's easier to list what it doesn't do.Carbon Tet was originally used as a parts cleaner here in the Industrial Factories, but is still available as a "coin solvent" here in the U.S., though there are warnings from the EPA about absobtion in the skin. It is risky stuff.... Quote
Accumulator Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 Seems to look like a " wiped on " appearance, another couple here,must be a dozen similar, and very unusual to see so many.The fifth coin looks like some of the silver I stored in pvc album pockets for nearly 40 years (not any more, I should add!), with a blue/green deposit caused by 'sweating'. It could just be the photos though.Accum, A quick dip in carbon Tet. will remove the green residue caused by polyvinyl sweating. Wear gloves though, it does not burn, but does absorb in the skin!If you can get hold of any. Wonderful solvent, but a no-no under H&S regs. It's fair to say that it's easier to list what it doesn't do.Carbon Tet was originally used as a parts cleaner here in the Industrial Factories, but is still available as a "coin solvent" here in the U.S., though there are warnings from the EPA about absobtion in the skin. It is risky stuff....Carbon tet. was the cleaner of choice where I worked many many years ago. I used acetone on my old coins, and it worked fine. Quote
brg5658 Posted December 23, 2013 Posted December 23, 2013 Seems to look like a " wiped on " appearance, another couple here,must be a dozen similar, and very unusual to see so many.The fifth coin looks like some of the silver I stored in pvc album pockets for nearly 40 years (not any more, I should add!), with a blue/green deposit caused by 'sweating'. It could just be the photos though.Accum, A quick dip in carbon Tet. will remove the green residue caused by polyvinyl sweating. Wear gloves though, it does not burn, but does absorb in the skin!If you can get hold of any. Wonderful solvent, but a no-no under H&S regs. It's fair to say that it's easier to list what it doesn't do.Carbon Tet was originally used as a parts cleaner here in the Industrial Factories, but is still available as a "coin solvent" here in the U.S., though there are warnings from the EPA about absobtion in the skin. It is risky stuff....Carbon tet. was the cleaner of choice where I worked many many years ago. I used acetone on my old coins, and it worked fine.This side of the pond most use acetone to remove PVC. I don't think they've outlawed that yet. Strangely, some say you should "soak" in acetone, but any plastics are dissolved by a quick dip and slosh around in acetone, no benefit to leaving a coin in it for hours -- though, I guess, really no harm either, other than all of the evaporating acetone fumes. Quote
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