1937 George VI Coronation Crown Replica?

[argentum]

Hello Everyone

I have a strange 1937 George VI Coronation Crown as it seems to be a replica - the lettering is different on the top of the obverse, it is thinner and very easily worn. (I have posted pics of it together with an original)

Any ideas anyone?

thanks

[Accumulator]

The obverse is from the Australian crown, I think.

[argentum]

The obverse is from the Australian crown, I think.

Hi - the reverse is the same as the GB crown though?

was there two types of aussie 1937 crown?

[TomGoodheart]

The obverse is from the Australian crown, I think.

Hi - the reverse is the same as the GB crown though?

was there two types of aussie 1937 crown?

Looks like a mule. How it would come about though, I'm not sure. OK, feasable, because presumably they are the same size and were struck at the same time by the mint. Oops, no. Apparently the Aussie coins were struck in Melborne. I wonder if someone has concocted it? What does it weigh argentum?

Edited September 9, 2012 by TomGoodheart

[Coinery]

?john...not argentum & coins!

[azda]

Left says IMP and the right REXon the OBV

Edited September 9, 2012 by azda

[TomGoodheart]

?john...not argentum & coins!

COnfused? Me? Nah. I just haven't had my coffee yet! (Thanks Stuart!)

[TomGoodheart]

Left says IMP and the right REXon the OBV

Yeah, the full title ( IND IMP ) obverses were struck for the Commonwealth, but the reverse is the British one (which also has IND IMP). Very curious. It could of course be someone has stuck an Australian obverse onto a British reverse. There would be some sign of that on the edge, or a slight join near the rim in that case, like 'double headed' coins.

[VickySilver]

=BAD

Counterfeit to my eyes, and poorly done with mushiness to devices and lettering, edges, denticles, etc.

[argentum]

The obverse is from the Australian crown, I think.

Hi - the reverse is the same as the GB crown though?

was there two types of aussie 1937 crown?

Looks like a mule. How it would come about though, I'm not sure. OK, feasable, because presumably they are the same size and were struck at the same time by the mint. Oops, no. Apparently the Aussie coins were struck in Melborne. I wonder if someone has concocted it? What does it weigh argentum?

Hi, the coin weighs 17.3g

[Peckris]

The obverse is from the Australian crown, I think.

Hi - the reverse is the same as the GB crown though?

was there two types of aussie 1937 crown?

Looks like a mule. How it would come about though, I'm not sure. OK, feasable, because presumably they are the same size and were struck at the same time by the mint. Oops, no. Apparently the Aussie coins were struck in Melborne. I wonder if someone has concocted it? What does it weigh argentum?

Hi, the coin weighs 17.3g

I've just noticed you only have 3 posts John! Have you re-registered with a new name?

By the way, the true weight should be 28.2g

Edited September 9, 2012 by Peckris

[Debbie]

Peck, I think you need to go and stand in the "confused " corner with Richard

[SEnumis]

17.3g seems quite light for a coin that should be 1oz of silver manganese. Also it does not look like silver, although that is hard to tell on a picture. Have you tested for silver content? Might be worth a try.

The legend does not make sense - why put fid def and ind imp twice?

[VickySilver]

OK, I confess to looking back at this post. What craziness! This would be poor quality even for the Chinese of some years ago...

Well, a bit of fun on a Sunday is always good. Manganese is a metal that to my knowledge is essentially NEVER found alloyed with silver. Also, this coin at 28.2 +/- gms is an avoirdupois ounce of 50%.

This looks like a transfer die made from the possible Aussie obv. and GB rev. Letters typically become sloppy and detail mushes just as is seen on this piece. 17.3 gms makes it possibly white metal or??

[Peckris]

Peck, I think you need to go and stand in the "confused " corner with Richard

Oh I'm a permanent resident there.. but are you saying this isn't the argentum (John) we know and love?

[Peter]

Peck, I think you need to go and stand in the "confused " corner with Richard

Debbie it is a naughty corner.

I live at naughty corner....I don't know what Richard is on.But would love to share my grass/mushroooms.

[Accumulator]

Peck, I think you need to go and stand in the "confused " corner with Richard

Oh I'm a permanent resident there.. but are you saying this isn't the argentum (John) we know and love?

I thought from the first post that it wasn't John. We just need him to confirm now!

[argentum]

Peck, I think you need to go and stand in the "confused " corner with Richard

Oh I'm a permanent resident there.. but are you saying this isn't the argentum (John) we know and love?

I thought from the first post that it wasn't John. We just need him to confirm now!

I'm not John!

[Paulus]

John is argentumandcoins like his web site I think

[Peckris]

John is argentumandcoins like his web site I think

I knew that - but the extraordinary similarity of the unusual names made me think John had re-registered for some reason.

[Peter]

Richard (Tomgoodheart) is on the power mix ....anyone remember Zoff?

[Peckris]

Richard (Tomgoodheart) is on the power mix ....anyone remember Zoff?

Italian goalkeeper?

[pies]

Dino

[SEnumis]

OK, I confess to looking back at this post. What craziness! This would be poor quality even for the Chinese of some years ago...

Well, a bit of fun on a Sunday is always good. Manganese is a metal that to my knowledge is essentially NEVER found alloyed with silver. Also, this coin at 28.2 +/- gms is an avoirdupois ounce of 50%.

This looks like a transfer die made from the possible Aussie obv. and GB rev. Letters typically become sloppy and detail mushes just as is seen on this piece. 17.3 gms makes it possibly white metal or??

From Wikipedia (with the usual caveats although the article seems fairly sensible. Hope this helps.

"In 1920, the silver content of all British coins was reduced from 92.5% to 50%, with a portion of the remainder consisting of manganese, which caused the coins to tarnish to a very dark colour after they had been in circulation for a significant period. Silver was eliminated altogether in 1947, except for Maundy coinage, which returned to the pre-1920 92.5% silver composition."

[Peckris]

OK, I confess to looking back at this post. What craziness! This would be poor quality even for the Chinese of some years ago...

Well, a bit of fun on a Sunday is always good. Manganese is a metal that to my knowledge is essentially NEVER found alloyed with silver. Also, this coin at 28.2 +/- gms is an avoirdupois ounce of 50%.

This looks like a transfer die made from the possible Aussie obv. and GB rev. Letters typically become sloppy and detail mushes just as is seen on this piece. 17.3 gms makes it possibly white metal or??

From Wikipedia (with the usual caveats although the article seems fairly sensible. Hope this helps.

"In 1920, the silver content of all British coins was reduced from 92.5% to 50%, with a portion of the remainder consisting of manganese, which caused the coins to tarnish to a very dark colour after they had been in circulation for a significant period. Silver was eliminated altogether in 1947, except for Maundy coinage, which returned to the pre-1920 92.5% silver composition."

That's not wrong, but the real story is a lot more involved - the first attempt at the post-1920 alloy resulted in coins that were too yellow, which is readily seen on 1920, 1921 and some 1922 silver. Then they tinkered with the precise composition of the alloy more than once - the next attempt resulted in coins that wore very brown (think your average 1925 halfcrown!). Ultimately, they came up with a process that caused a layer of pure silver to coat the blank making the UNC coins very attractive, though in wear the coins could form rather ugly grey patches, commonly seen on worn last issue George V and George VI pre-1947 coins.

The early cupro-nickel coins caused as many problems, with a distinctive red streakiness apparent even on some UNC 1947 - 1951 coins.