Peckris Posted February 1, 2011 Posted February 1, 2011 A possible explanation of the differences in shape, spacing and general appearence of the border teeth and rim on the obverse is that there were specimens of the early George V coins where the obverse rim is abnormally raised. This applies to 1911, 1912 and 1913.And most of all to 1912H which possibly has the highest rims of all? One reason why so many obverses survived in around VF or near to it. Quote
RobJ Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 It has been very interesting reading through this Topic. I certainly know where to look now should I encounter any 1911 Pennies to check if it is a 'Hollow Neck.'Great work Gary. Well Done. Quote
Cerbera100 Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 Indeed... will be interesting how long the rarity of this is maintained! With everyone here now looking for them my recent purchase from Mr Workman may depreciate... Quote
Bronze & Copper Collector Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 Indeed... will be interesting how long the rarity of this is maintained! With everyone here now looking for them my recent purchase from Mr Workman may depreciate... I've only found the 2 in the past 8-10 years or so..... So they definitely are UNCOMMON.... especially with so few acknowledged Quote
RobJ Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 Indeed... will be interesting how long the rarity of this is maintained! With everyone here now looking for them my recent purchase from Mr Workman may depreciate... The only way that it may depreciate is if hundreds were found and the market was flooded with them. As pointed out they are uncommon, so I think that your purchase would be quite safe. Quote
Gary D Posted February 3, 2011 Posted February 3, 2011 I bought mine from Michael Gouby then later I pulled two off of ebay. The first I respun onto ebay with disapointing results, I got about £30 for it. The second I put into a London Coins auction and got about £30 for it. In both cases about 1/3 what I paid for mine Indeed... will be interesting how long the rarity of this is maintained! With everyone here now looking for them my recent purchase from Mr Workman may depreciate... The only way that it may depreciate is if hundreds were found and the market was flooded with them. As pointed out they are uncommon, so I think that your purchase would be quite safe. Quote
Cerbera100 Posted February 3, 2011 Posted February 3, 2011 Cool, thanks guys! Was beginning to think I'd bought into a variety too early like my muppett of a friend who paid £250 for a dateless 20p! I did warn him Quote
davidrj Posted March 3, 2011 Posted March 3, 2011 . The hollow Neck tag should be laid to rest as there are normal 1911 pennies that display this characteristic, at least in pictures anyway. Davidrj bought this penny thinking it was a "hollow neck" and I can see why, only to be confirmed wrong on receiving it. .Interested to see this listing of 8 1912H pennies, definitely a hint of "hollowness" in the two top leftCould this be where the confusion arises re the reported hollow necks for 1912? None look to have border teeth prominent enough for Gouby XAre there two dies here with Gouby X being a 3rd variant in 1911. or can we put this down to strike quality? Quote
Accumulator Posted March 3, 2011 Posted March 3, 2011 Interested to see this listing of 8 1912H pennies, definitely a hint of "hollowness" in the two top leftCould this be where the confusion arises re the reported hollow necks for 1912? None look to have border teeth prominent enough for Gouby XAre there two dies here with Gouby X being a 3rd variant in 1911. or can we put this down to strike quality?I just did a quick check of 70 x 1912 & 1912H pennies I have and none of them are Gouby X. I appreciate this doesn't prove anything, but it might help. As an aside, I've never been convinced by the 'hollow neck' description. Quote
RLC35 Posted March 3, 2011 Posted March 3, 2011 Just for the fun of it, I just went thru 2 rolls of 1912H Pennies, and I didn't find any Gouby-x's either! Quote
josie Posted March 3, 2011 Posted March 3, 2011 1 1912, 24 1912H no I in BRITT PDT.What is the pointing of I in IMP in 1912H? Quote
Accumulator Posted March 3, 2011 Posted March 3, 2011 Just for the fun of it, I just went thru 2 rolls of 1912H Pennies, and I didn't find any Gouby-x's either!Bob, you have 2 rolls of 1912H's? That sounds like mint rolls, but surely not? I presume that's the US expression for two of those coin tubes full of used 1912H's? Still, that's a lot of coins! Quote
Accumulator Posted March 3, 2011 Posted March 3, 2011 1 1912, 24 1912H no I in BRITT PDT.What is the pointing of I in IMP in 1912H?Gouby X has I of BRITT to a tooth, NOT a gap. Quote
josie Posted March 3, 2011 Posted March 3, 2011 1 1912, 24 1912H no I in BRITT PDT.What is the pointing of I in IMP in 1912H?Gouby X has I of BRITT to a tooth, NOT a gap.Clear I of BRITT Points Directly to Tooth. Quote
davidrj Posted March 3, 2011 Posted March 3, 2011 (edited) I just did a quick check of 70 x 1912 & 1912H pennies I have and none of them are Gouby X. I appreciate this doesn't prove anything, but it might help. As an aside, I've never been convinced by the 'hollow neck' description.I'm not suggesting that Gouby X exists in 1912However there are two "hollow" neck shilling dies for 1911 plus the "round neck"I don't know whether there is a third die type for 1911/2 pennies , if there is, then the difference is minimal.But I would suggest that these slight neck hollowings (real or artifactual) are what was observed by Freeman, and that he never saw the Gouby X obverse Edited March 4, 2011 by davidrj Quote
RLC35 Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 Just for the fun of it, I just went thru 2 rolls of 1912H Pennies, and I didn't find any Gouby-x's either!Bob, you have 2 rolls of 1912H's? That sounds like mint rolls, but surely not? I presume that's the US expression for two of those coin tubes full of used 1912H's? Still, that's a lot of coins!I wish they were mint rolls! But they are circulated rolls of 25 coins each. I bought them 40 years ago, at the same time I bought the 1926 Pennies. Most are in Fine condition, some a little better. Quote
AardHawk Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Here's V.R.Court's survey results from Coin Monthly Sept 1972. Quote
scott Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 oh interesting, would be nice to see all the article for everything Quote
Peter Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 oh interesting, would be nice to see all the article for everythingWe were talking about coin mags on another thread....This is why I still have my old CM's but the Coin News are usually binned after about 3 months. Quote
Peckris Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Here's V.R.Court's survey results from Coin Monthly Sept 1972.oh interesting, would be nice to see all the article for everythingInteresting - a ratio of 122 : 1 at a time when it was largely unknown. I'll take that! (And I agree scott - it would be nice) Quote
AardHawk Posted March 13, 2011 Posted March 13, 2011 I have created a pdf of the article at http://www.mediafire.com/?vmxr5ntsc8g6pux 1 Quote
declanwmagee Posted March 13, 2011 Posted March 13, 2011 I have created a pdf of the article at http://www.mediafire.com/?vmxr5ntsc8g6puxgood effort, Mr AardHawk - what a star! Quote
RLC35 Posted March 13, 2011 Posted March 13, 2011 Aardhawk,Interesting article, thanks for posting! Quote
Accumulator Posted March 13, 2011 Posted March 13, 2011 I have created a pdf of the article at http://www.mediafire.com/?vmxr5ntsc8g6puxGreat job... thank you! Some really interesting info. in there! Quote
SionGilbey Posted March 13, 2011 Posted March 13, 2011 I've just found my Camera Microscope... if a digital microscope image would be useful for anything let me know. Quote
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