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[Coin#addict]

I seen this going through with a job lot just now on ebay. Anyone know if it's real? I must admit it looked ok to me but was outbid at £95.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Silver-Hammered-Coins-Mixed-Lot-/253876735063?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2349624.m43663.l44720

[Peckris 2]

13 hours ago, Paddy said:

This beggars belief - and it seems some mugs are buying them!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Winston-Churchill-Coin-Crown-WWII-WWI-Hitler-Nazi-Germany-Medal-Silver-London-UK/401589041208?hash=item5d80927838:g:Fz0AAOSwaSZaNvRG

I sell them at 50p each - anyone interested? 🙂

I really don't know where to begin with this. The main description has WW1 as well as WW11. The queen is "on the back" (!). Winston Churchill apparently was solely responsible for beating A-Dolf Hitler and Nazi Germany. Its composition is "metal" (you don't say ).

[jelida]

3 hours ago, Coin#addict said:

I seen this going through with a job lot just now on ebay. Anyone know if it's real? I must admit it looked ok to me but was outbid at £95.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Silver-Hammered-Coins-Mixed-Lot-/253876735063?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2349624.m43663.l44720

You are lucky you were outbid. This is a common fake, and a common fake sellers ploy, sticking it in amongst a load of c**p, this often happens with siege pieces too

Jerry

[Coin#addict]

Wow! That was close. Lesson learned not to jump in with all guns blazing without running it past you guys first.

Thanks Jerry.

[Sword]

"I know little about ..." usually translates to FAKE, FAKE, FAKE

[1949threepence]

10 hours ago, Peckris 2 said:

I really don't know where to begin with this. The main description has WW1 as well as WW11. The queen is "on the back" (!). Winston Churchill apparently was solely responsible for beating A-Dolf Hitler and Nazi Germany. Its composition is "metal" (you don't say ).

Indeed - it was a multi party effort. It's true that we did stand alone up until the Soviet Union and USA joined the war in June and December 1941 respectively. But we certainly couldn't have beaten Germany alone. We only won the Battle of Britain because they changed tack and started bombing cities instead of airfields. 

We did contribute a hell of a lot though, that cannot be denied. Especially in terms of intelligence from Bletchley Park, night bombing of German cities and in North Africa.

Equally it should never be forgotten that Stalin connived with Hitler in 1939, to carve up Poland.

Sorry, World War 2 is one of my big historical interests. I'll shut up now.

 

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Winston Churchill was vote the Greatest Britian Ever after he won World War II beating Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany

What's a "Britian" when it's at home?

[RLC35]

19 minutes ago, 1949threepence said:

Indeed - it was a multi party effort. It's true that we did stand alone up until the Soviet Union and USA joined the war in June and December 1941 respectively. But we certainly couldn't have beaten Germany alone. We only won the Battle of Britain because they changed tack and started bombing cities instead of airfields. 

We did contribute a hell of a lot though, that cannot be denied. Especially in terms of intelligence from Bletchley Park, night bombing of German cities and in North Africa.

Equally it should never be forgotten that Stalin connived with Hitler in 1939, to carve up Poland.

Sorry, World War 2 is one of my big historical interests. I'll shut up now.

 

What's a "Britian" when it's at home?

Britain did not "stand alone" prior to the USA entering WW2. We provided military hardware and supplies to Great Britain well over a year prior to the U.S. entering the war...just a FYI! 

During World War II, the United States began to provide significant military supplies and other assistance to the Allies in September 1940, even though the United States did not enter the war until December 1941. Much of this aid flowed to the United Kingdom and other nations already at war with Germany and Japan through an innovative program known as Lend-Lease.

☺️   btw....Great Britain was one of the few countries that paid us back for the aid. The lend-lease program ended up being a "gratis" program with most countries.

[1949threepence]

1 hour ago, RLC35 said:

Britain did not "stand alone" prior to the USA entering WW2. We provided military hardware and supplies to Great Britain well over a year prior to the U.S. entering the war...just a FYI! 

During World War II, the United States began to provide significant military supplies and other assistance to the Allies in September 1940, even though the United States did not enter the war until December 1941. Much of this aid flowed to the United Kingdom and other nations already at war with Germany and Japan through an innovative program known as Lend-Lease.

☺️   btw....Great Britain was one of the few countries that paid us back for the aid. The lend-lease program ended up being a "gratis" program with most countries.

We stood alone militarily, although the help we got from the USA pre 1941, was considerable, despite a still strong isolationist leaning in the States............But,. I'm reminded of the words of Roosevelt's representative Harry Hopkins on a visit to the UK to see Churchill in January 1941:-

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“I suppose you wish to know what I am going to say to President Roosevelt on my return. Well, I’m going to quote you one verse from that Book of Books in the truth of which Mr. Johnston’s mother and my own Scottish mother were brought up: ‘Whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God.'”Then he added very quietly: “‘Even to the end.'”

Observers present saw the Prime Minister in tears. He knew what it meant.

 

 

[Sword]

I agree that Britain did not quite "stand alone" after the defeat in France. Members of the Commonwealth had made their own independent declarations of war on Germany. India as part of the Empire declared war in 1939. Nepal for example was at war and was not a member of the Commonwealth. Thousands of Irish moved to Britain to fight.

Even though France, Poland and Czechoslovakia were defeated, thousands of their soldiers, including those evacuated from Dunkirk fought with the along side the British and as members of the RAF. De Gaulle was leading the Free French forces.

However, Britain was the only country in Europe that was at war with Germany and had not surrendered. In that sense, she was proudly standing alone.

[davidrj]

I also think we in the West tend to disregard the incredible contribution of the Red Army in the east. Ultimately the real victors were the US and the USSR.

 

[Sword]

The sacrifice made by the Soviet soldiers and civilians was of course truly enormous and can never be underestimated. Almost 10 million soldiers had fallen by the end of the war. But Stalin did  sign the non aggression pack with Germany which encouraged the start of the WWII. They took half of Poland as their prize. When the Germans invaded the Soviet Union they were totally caught by surprised. Stalin purged so many of the Red Army officers (I have read that it was as many as a third when I was at school) which made their deference much more difficult. I think that Stalin has undermined a bit the huge contribution made made by the USSR military.

 

[jelida]

It isn’t......is it?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Victoria-Penny-1877-Small-Date-RARE/332817636500?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

Jerry

[Peckris 2]

14 minutes ago, jelida said:

It isn’t......is it?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Victoria-Penny-1877-Small-Date-RARE/332817636500?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

Jerry

Only on first glance and not consulting references, it seems to be halfway between the two. On the other hand, it may just be a final 7 punched too close to the first one?

[jelida]

47 minutes ago, Peckris 2 said:

Only on first glance and not consulting references, it seems to be halfway between the two. On the other hand, it may just be a final 7 punched too close to the first one?

That was pretty much my thought. Interesting, but not I think what the seller implies. Again.....

[jelida]

Wheras this coin is positively angelic!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1864-QUEEN-VICTORIA-PENNY-UPPER-SERAPH-4-NICE-COLLECTABLE-COIN-SCARCER-DATE/273479590540?hash=item3faca7628c:g:idkAAOSwzfNbqhDZ

Jerry

Edited September 25, 2018 by jelida

[Peckris 2]

5 minutes ago, jelida said:

Wheras this coin is positively angelic!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1864-QUEEN-VICTORIA-PENNY-UPPER-SERAPH-4-NICE-COLLECTABLE-COIN-SCARCER-DATE/273479590540?hash=item3faca7628c:g:idkAAOSwzfNbqhDZ

Jerry

Well, of course it's "upper" - you wouldn't find a seraph in hell!

[1949threepence]

2 hours ago, jelida said:

It isn’t......is it?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Victoria-Penny-1877-Small-Date-RARE/332817636500?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

Jerry

I don't think so. But might be worth putting it on screen, next to a genuine one and comparing the two. 

[davidrj]

3 hours ago, jelida said:

It isn’t......is it?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Victoria-Penny-1877-Small-Date-RARE/332817636500?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

Jerry

Definitely NOT

 

[RLC35]

2 hours ago, davidrj said:

Definitely NOT

 

I just sent him a picture of what a real 1877 Small Date Looks like.....

[terrysoldpennies]

This is the 1877 he's selling, it has the two 7s closer together , it is pretty rare though.

[RLC35]

25 minutes ago, terrysoldpennies said:

This is the 1877 he's selling, it has the two 7s closer together , it is pretty rare though.

That one is a wide date, 12.5 teeth. A small date is 9.5 teeth.

[jelida]

31 minutes ago, DrLarry said:

I am sure I am stating the obvious here and it is a knee jerk response without any research but the lighthouse is completely different in the two pictures 

Yes, this is one of the other differences between the two reverses.

Well done on the ‘shuttle’ penny, you must look at a lot!

Jerry

[Peckris 2]

2 hours ago, DrLarry said:

The whole debate on what constitutes a variety seems to me to have so many tight restrictions that I find myself becoming less and less interested in them .

What do you mean by "variety"? There are so many types:

• different mints e.g. Heatons, Kings Norton
• major design changes, e.g. 1927 reverses
• less dramatic changes like beaded/toothed borders, height of sea, position of initials etc
• die identifiers
• mules
• die flaws and fills

Just scratching the surface there (no pun intended).

[Bronze & Copper Collector]

On 9/24/2018 at 4:40 PM, 1949threepence said:

We did contribute a hell of a lot though, that cannot be denied. Especially in terms of intelligence from Bletchley Park, night bombing of German cities and in North Africa.

 

 

My father was stationed at Hall Place / Bletchley Park during the war.... Later transferred to occupied Germany... He had NO connection with the code breakers, just army stationed there... I think he said his ability to type put him in good standing.. I'll have to ask him again. .....

Anyway, I just wanted to mention that Hall Place has an exhibit of wartime memorabilia which includes my dad's library card, images, and other items...

 

[Sword]

7 hours ago, DrLarry said:

A general question: The other day I was looking through the US site on Ebay and saw that someone had sent away "a lauer  miniature with corrosion" to be slabbed by the NGC grading company.  Does anyone know if slabbing is so cheap in the US or perhaps you can get freebies that would make sense of sending a tiny token 13mm damaged worth about £1 at a push to them for grading?  Also do these places not have some kind of ethical customer service where they might say "stop" to the person asking such a token being slabbed?  I noticed a price tag on it of £49 or maybe $49 cannot remember!

I think you have probably answered your own questions. People slab junk thinking they can make a profit by doing so: "I noticed a price tag on it of £49" 

NGC Grading is not cheap in the US.

Doesn't look like there is any"ethical customer service where they might say "stop" to the person asking such a token being slabbed" or you shouldn't see this token slabbed otherwise.