TOY COINS

[DrLarry]

The Half Dume  Rogers # 2430   again no image in Rogers 

Edited November 23, 2022 by DrLarry

[DrLarry]

The Nickel I do not have ,  please add if you have one , the 3 Cent and the Two cent I have shown before and you have examples of the lying eagle cent at the top of this section 

Edited November 23, 2022 by DrLarry

[Peckris 2]

Wow - a lying eagle? "Relax little rabbit, I'm not going to hurt you..." 🐰

[DrLarry]

4 hours ago, DrLarry said:

The Nickel I do not have ,  please add if you have one , the 3 Cent and the Two cent I have shown before and you have examples of the lying eagle cent at the top of this section 

Flying 

[DrLarry]

2 hours ago, Peckris 2 said:

Wow - a lying eagle? "Relax little rabbit, I'm not going to hurt you..." 🐰

To be honest they are so rare if I were a Rabbit i'd just carry on eating the farmers carrots ...the chances of a lying or a flying eagle  coming along he/she/ it /they can live in peace 

[copper123]

A rarer second issue of Edward VII with the "Hairy head" and more realistic likeness nice grade too.

[copper123]

And another in great grade .

I remember sending one of these to the reverand rogers back in the seventies and he sent me a lovely crisp  £20 note for it so there ain't many arround

Edited November 25, 2022 by copper123

[copper123]

[copper123]

A full set of these would be very expensive they just seem to be found as singles I am sure they were not issued in great quantities.

Might be interesting to know if the farthing also appears as a dated version Rev rogers book anyone?

Edited November 25, 2022 by copper123

[DrLarry]

1 hour ago, copper123 said:

A full set of these would be very expensive they just seem to be found as singles I am sure they were not issued in great quantities.

Might be interesting to know if the farthing also appears as a dated version Rev rogers book anyone?

I will check through my examples of Hairy Heads and get back to you ...they are yes certainly rare .  Oh that is a lovely story I did not realise he was a vicar 

[DrLarry]

1 hour ago, copper123 said:

A full set of these would be very expensive they just seem to be found as singles I am sure they were not issued in great quantities.

Might be interesting to know if the farthing also appears as a dated version Rev rogers book anyone?

I think I almost have a full set the half penny I dont think is listed I have sovereign through to half penny.  I  have a couple of new ones which  have a new borders and a new florin variety , somehow the hairy heads looks better than the Lauer Edward VII's  

[copper123]

11 hours ago, DrLarry said:

I will check through my examples of Hairy Heads and get back to you ...they are yes certainly rare .  Oh that is a lovely story I did not realise he was a vicar 

If I remember rightly it was the penny and i am pretty sure it was dated 1902 it was in about unc grade so it was not poor quality if there is a picture in rogers  book it will be the one I sold him .

He could have retired in the early eighties so maybe he would not use the title reverand when retired , I am pretty sure he built up his collection over 15 years or so , remember it was so much harder back then with no ebay , farthing specialist was always on the lookout for nice coins for him.

[copper123]

Looks like there are a few fans on here I will post a few pics of choice coins later

[DrLarry]

56 minutes ago, copper123 said:

If I remember rightly it was the penny and i am pretty sure it was dated 1902 it was in about unc grade so it was not poor quality if there is a picture in rogers  book it will be the one I sold him .

He could have retired in the early eighties so maybe he would not use the title reverand when retired , I am pretty sure he built up his collection over 15 years or so , remember it was so much harder back then with no ebay , farthing specialist was always on the lookout for nice coins for him.

it makes collecting so much nicer when you know the personalities behind the collections.  In my youth I have several good friends who were vicars who made some unique collections of minerals or fossils from the area they came from.  It was I suppose the tail end of Victorian Vicars involved in the collection of natural history, they were gentlemen and took up gentleman's pursuits.    I am not sure if they do these days.  

 

I am happy there are some fans of these wonderful coins sometimes the work seems magical considering the size .  Finding information on the production seems almost impossible though.  

[DrLarry]

The Hairy Head  I thought I would carry on this as there are some interesting additions both  these are 12.5 mm I will just copy what I have written in  my Rogers  and make sense of it later !   Rogers #770   in his example the Truncation is to the centre of the W and has teeth in this one the truncation is lower on the D.  Both have a flaw at the TT of BRITT and on the V of VII and the "dot" is now an earring so perhaps an addition might be to add #770 * it is hard to see in the images in Rogers perhaps his rear truncation is the same I will have to check online at the Fitzwilliam collection .

Two varieties seem to exist in the Sovereign 13.5 mm :  one points nose to M the other nose slightly higher towards O and a small dot (pearl) on the neck below the ear.  The  gaps between titles is wider (such differences are fractional) so we perhaps can assume at least 2 runs were made with alterations.  Evidence of this is a wonderful little error on the "no dot" type is an N over Z in OMN.  Both are brass both Beaded  so are likely Rogers # 771 the reverse date is larger on the no dot type so it is likely that there is an addition to be included ~771 * N over Z 

 

 

N over Z 

pearl on neck 

too date types 

earring type 

 

Edited November 26, 2022 by DrLarry

[copper123]

[copper123]

Not as nice as the previous two but pretty rare so acceptable in any grade really

[DrLarry]

My examples of the Crown are the same as in Rogers both of iron coated there are three variations ~'s 775 to 777 as there are 4 possible types in the sovereign I wonder if other varieties exists.  Please look 

3 Half Crown types

 I think I have found a third new type of Florin with differing letter sizes on the reverse and a second variation in the obverse I will take photos and list later  

[copper123]

Just now, DrLarry said:

My examples of the Crown are the same as in Rogers both of iron coated there are three variations ~'s 775 to 777 as there are 4 possible types in the sovereign I wonder if other varieties exists.  Please look 

3 Half Crown types

 I think I have found a third new type of Florin with differing letter sizes on the reverse and a second variation in the obverse I will take photos and list later  

note the star under edwards head

[DrLarry]

28 minutes ago, copper123 said:

Not as nice as the previous two but pretty rare so acceptable in any grade really

yes they are rare I think this is why we do not have a full compliment of varieties and the task of examining them and taking images has improved a lot since the publication of the book. I hope Galata books might update the images 

[DrLarry]

30 minutes ago, copper123 said:

note the star under edwards head

Oh yes that is the same obverse as the Half crown then ? on one of mine the sea level is different 

 

Edited November 26, 2022 by DrLarry

[DrLarry]

that then the * under the head is interesting none of mine have it so perhaps there are 4 varieties again yours my additional variant and the ones in Rogers....I need to clean some carpets so the limitations of having low down dogs (sausage dogs) means I have to clean the stairs ...so will list them later .  I suppose this is the interesting thing in these more fringe areas there are new discoveries to be added.  I am glad someone else is interested 

[DrLarry]

16 hours ago, copper123 said:

And another in great grade .

I remember sending one of these to the reverand rogers back in the seventies and he sent me a lovely crisp  £20 note for it so there ain't many arround

such a great connection 

[DrLarry]

20 hours ago, copper123 said:

A full set of these would be very expensive they just seem to be found as singles I am sure they were not issued in great quantities.

Might be interesting to know if the farthing also appears as a dated version Rev rogers book anyone?

no none of the "coppers" have dates in the Book .  The Star* below the head only exists in the Half crown and the half Crown it would be interesting to see if either match that obverse 

[DrLarry]

Variations in the Two shillings Florin:  Firstly the new obverse above with the star,   The modelling of the portrait is very different  and the nose points to either the M or the O  on OMN.  The distance below the portrait varies to the legend.  Two are listed in Rogers # 785 and 786.  I have found a fourth type with large lettering.  There is also variation in the reverses one the plumes touch the inner circle, one is slightly off and the other far away . There is also variation in the level of the sea which is best seen looking at the S .  Suggesting again that 4 different runs were made or that the work was completed by different engravers working slightly differently and these may have been brought together and cut into the same dies or they were produced independently.  

 

Edited November 26, 2022 by DrLarry