Fake / Counterfeit Half Crown 1942

[newcoincollector]

is this fake? weighs 12.9 g . thanks

[newcoincollector]

this (real) one aslo 1942 weighs 14.1g

[Paulus]

As you say, a real one would weigh 14.1g, so the other one will not be the real deal

Welcome to the Forum NCC

[newcoincollector]

thanks. do you think this is an old fake?

[VickySilver]

It certainly looks it, although toning/aging can be done artificially. Haven't seen one this late on before.

[IanB]

Why would anyone go to all the trouble of making a fake of a coin that even if it was genuine would not be worth much money.

It must cost more to make than its value.

[ozjohn]

According to one site I used a pound is worth about GBP 4.50 in today's money.

[jelida]

More likely i'ts been in the ground, and leached some of the copper into an acid soil. Dug alloy coins are often underweight.

 

Jerry

[newcoincollector]

thanks for the replies. it is slightly fatter than a real one but the width is good. interesting to hear that it may have leached some copper but doesn't seem too worn. i have worn ones but they all weigh 13.7 and up.  has anyone else 1920-1946 fake half crowns?

[VickySilver]

The rims, denticles and devices look very poor and not regular; the weight loss is about 10%. Admittedly but a picture and not in hand but this still looks bad. The color off even for a putative 50% silver content coin. Appears counterfeit to me.

[Sword]

6 hours ago, newcoincollector said:

thanks for the replies. it is slightly fatter than a real one but the width is good. interesting to hear that it may have leached some copper but doesn't seem too worn. i have worn ones but they all weigh 13.7 and up.  has anyone else 1920-1946 fake half crowns?

Bearing in mind that 50% of the alloy should be silver, the weight loss is therefore about 20% of the copper content (as silver shouldn't be affected). I can't honestly see how it is possible that the coin can get fatter (I assume you meant thicker) despite losing such a high proportion of copper. So probably a fake I think. 

You can put the coin on your forefinger and give the edge a tap with another coin. The ring from a 50% silver coin sounds different to one with no silver (the ring from a 92.5% silver coin is particularly distinctive) 

[newcoincollector]

It has a higher pitched ting to it. I can hear and feel the difference when i flip it . I will try the ping test with a pre 1920. Thanks for the replies

[newcoincollector]

here is the reverse

[jelida]

Can you test it for silver? If it did contain silver, very unlikely to be a forgery, the converse is also true. 

Jerry

[newcoincollector]

Thanks, have just ordered a silver testing kit 

[Coinery]

Some silver testing kits aren't sensitive down to .500

The one I've got (bit old now) will give a blinding result for sterling, but a really unsatisfactory result on debased coins.

[newcoincollector]

I've done the 'ping' test on the tip of my finger against a .925 and a real .500 and it doesn't have the same tone as the other two. It is not magnetic

[Paulus]

It should be .500 silver so maybe write it off as a fake, we know not why!

Genuine high grade examples of these are available for a few pounds ...

 

[ozjohn]

On ‎3‎/‎29‎/‎2017 at 6:51 PM, ozjohn said:

According to one site I used a pound is worth about GBP 4.50 in today's money.

Noticed a mistake the pound should read halfcrown. Sorry about any confusion

[copper123]

jolly bad form this faking halfcrowns during the war

[Guest koscoins]

hi I have never seen a counter fit half crown and i have handled thousands 

this is dated 1913 obviously fake looks fake and only weighs 10.9 grams   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[mick1271]

[mick1271]

13.6 grams .non magnetic .It has the right die combination ,but has less ridges on the milling on the edge.

Edited June 18, 2017 by mick1271

[VickySilver]

On my iPhone I see reverse rim damage at 9 & 10 o'clock but the rest doesn't look too bad. Will have a look on laptop later this evening.