davidrj Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 I posted this 1931 penny the other day in the die clogs thread as a "missing waves" variety, Just noted the date looked odd comparison of dates with a normal 1931 That upper loop of the 3 looks decidedly larger to me, comments welcome Quote
RLC35 Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 58 minutes ago, davidrj said: I posted this 1931 penny the other day in the die clogs thread as a "missing waves" variety, Just noted the date looked odd comparison of dates with a normal 1931 That upper loop of the 3 looks decidedly larger to me, comments welcome David, I think you are right! Also it looks to me like the top 9 is closed, and the bottom 9 is open. Quote
Rob Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 Any signs of acid attack as all the four datal figures look to be slightly thinner? Are the letters of the legend also a little thinner. If so, that plus elimination of the very low relief might indicate a chemical reason. Quote
davidrj Posted June 15, 2016 Author Posted June 15, 2016 2 hours ago, Rob said: Any signs of acid attack as all the four datal figures look to be slightly thinner? Are the letters of the legend also a little thinner. If so, that plus elimination of the very low relief might indicate a chemical reason. Everything else looks normal to me, a bog standard circulated 1931. I'm 90% convinced that missing waves are a result of grease fill rather than die alteration/wear/other damage and may possibly occur in all dates 1927-36. The 1934 will probably stay at a premium as it featured in a high profile sale and is to be included in the new Freeman. I'm waiting on delivery of a high grade 1929 which looks interesting. As for the 3, I have no answer at present, I don't think it's an optical illusion due to the surrounded verdegris, but... I'm hoping forum members will take the time to look in their caches of GV pennies to see if anything similar turns up Quote
DaveG38 Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 6 hours ago, RLC35 said: David, I think you are right! Also it looks to me like the top 9 is closed, and the bottom 9 is open. Just to add to the fun, the beads appear different, but this might be the photograph and the rims seem to be different thicknesses. Quote
davidrj Posted June 15, 2016 Author Posted June 15, 2016 22 minutes ago, DaveG38 said: Just to add to the fun, the beads appear different, but this might be the photograph and the rims seem to be different thicknesses. Agreed, I'll give it an acetone bath,and will rescan it with another similar grade one with identical illumination. Quote
secret santa Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 Just checked my spares - only got one 1931 but it's the same "open" 3 so it may well be fairly common. Quote
jacinbox Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) Mine is an open 3 as well but with a closed 9 Edited June 15, 2016 by jacinbox Quote
PWA 1967 Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 13 minutes ago, jacinbox said: Mine is an open 3 as well but with a closed 9 They are all the same Gary or am i missing something ?. Quote
davidrj Posted June 15, 2016 Author Posted June 15, 2016 3 hours ago, davidrj said: As for the 3, I have no answer at present, I don't think it's an optical illusion due to the surrounded verdegris, but... ....amazing what a good clean can do, sorry guys but I think there is no difference Not going to make my fortune on this one David Quote
secret santa Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 Well, I'm convinced there are different 3's. Quote
PWA 1967 Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 The alignment of the 9 is different . Aswell as the teeth etc. Quote
Nordle11 Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 They just look thicker and thinner to me, but the same 3. Not just different strikes in a die's life? Quote
davidrj Posted June 15, 2016 Author Posted June 15, 2016 14 minutes ago, Nordle11 said: They just look thicker and thinner to me, but the same 3. Not just different strikes in a die's life? There's a forum member ?Gary who is very good at overlays, anyone know how it's done? Quote
Nordle11 Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 You can use any application that has a transparency setting, just make one picture a little more transparent so you can see the background image and overlay it. If no-one has done one by tomorrow I'll mock one up but I have meetings for the rest of the day and don't have any app like that at home. Quote
PWA 1967 Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 Alfnail is the best and that is the only answer overlays. Looking again the two comparisons are the same its the photos that are different... Can you help please Ian.........although i am sure you have better things to do. Quote
jacinbox Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 1 hour ago, PWA 1967 said: They are all the same Gary or am i missing something ?. Aye Quote
terrysoldpennies Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 On 15/06/2016 at 2:40 AM, davidrj said: I posted this 1931 penny the other day in the die clogs thread as a "missing waves" variety, Just noted the date looked odd comparison of dates with a normal 1931 That upper loop of the 3 looks decidedly larger to me, comments welcome I just found just one of these in my spares box of about 80 1931s, and have noticed that it also has a dropped 9 which is distinctly lower than the other digits Terry Quote
scott Posted June 20, 2016 Posted June 20, 2016 it looks, to the eye, like the 3 is higher on missing waves, due to the shape of the 3 got this the other day, another missing waves, same deal with the 3. Quote
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