terrysoldpennies

No this is half the missing coin type.

OOps that's my bugger up. anyway we collect the refined Milled, not that primitive Hammered stuff.

That's with unworn coins, I have a couple that are worn, and its very obvious as the ear is totally untouched with the rest of the head badly worn.

Yes your right Pete, but the same principal applies , It seems unlikely that a test die would be given a broken tooth for recognition, as at around this time increasing or decreasing the number of teeth was used, as with the 1908 164a and the 1911 hollow neck .

Bearing in mind that what we refer to as a broken tooth, is the result of a partial blockage of one of the tiny indentations around the edge of the die that form the teeth. its not unlikely that the hole started to block during 1915 then gradually built up, but during this period a small piece of the blockage may have broken away again, only to them build up again giving the variation in the size of the tooth, this may explain the out of sequence 1915 coin of Zoos

My 1915

Last week I picked up a decent 1915 Recessed ear penny [ show on the next post] . That got me thinking about the life of this die, from its start to its destruction, and so I hunted around and managed to find an 1916 example with a die crack running right across the coin from the A in GRA to the D in DEF on the other side of the coin. The crack is so bad that it must have meant the end of the die, and the production of this type. Pic. On the left starting at the top is an early 1915 strike without the crack , but note the tooth in question seems smaller than the others ?. Next down is also a 1915 and appears to have a small curved bite out of the bottom of the tooth . Third down is a 1916, it has now developed, and a large section is missing from the tooth. Finally the bottom insert also 1916 shows the final extent of the tooth loss, as this is the example with the die crack, also shown in full on the right side.

I know, April fools day, doctored picture.

What's going on Richard , you've got the 1863 die five on your wanted list. its a fake ?????

Its nearly as rare as the 1967 penny

Your obviously not a serious collector, most of us are already in the SHED !!!!!

I think you should have gone to Specsavers

Your cheeky Pete, There's no FID on a Victorian Bun Penny.

It is a 2+d F10

I think we've lost Tina

Hi Cliff, it does look like the example shown in Goubys book, I would suggest the cause my be die clash , hence its appearance on coins of differing years.

Yes 5+d f26

Received this one yesterday. 1913 F175 Been after a nice one for ages. Terry

Note also Richard, the D in F: D: points just to the left of the tooth on the D* [ 2* ] .

An easy way to distinguish the obv. 2 from the 3 on most coins even when warn' is by the D in F: D: as on the 2 it points to the gap, and on the 3 it points to the tooth.

Its unlikely to be a 4 , the 4 has a very narrow rim , your one looks some what wider around the edge.

This one is a Freeman G, No rock left of lighthouse, Plume almost just a thin line at the end, It could be the 5+g f28 but it is iffy

The signature could be worn off , and the ribbon is to warn to be absolutely clear ,so I wouldn't pay a high price for a possible rare one. Both pics are of the Obv. are you referring to the Freeman D discussed earlier , if so the rev. is a definite D. and the 5+d 1861 is listed as common. Terry

Obverse 5 Large gap between the bust and teeth, with as you say no signature, outer ribbon narrows at the top, on less warn coins it has an incused fold at the top.

A bit tenuous in my view...................... It turns up quite often. perhaps over stated as a colon