terrysoldpennies

R over A , really, not for me and I think most people will shy away from it as well . We'll all have to wait and see if another clearer example turns up. As to the PFNNY this die fill type often turns up on Victorian pennies . Below is a 1890 .

O don't we all want to find the rare ones, but to put it into perspective , if you add all of the reverse F types the F19 F24 F27 F32 the sum total of 48 coins are at present known, so the rev.F is always Rare , but keep looking there must be more still to be found out there.

I'm not so sure. Though the First 1in the date looks to be to the tooth, other pointers look incorrect . The rim on the 169 is more raised up with the teeth usually intact even on a worn coin, also the space between the 1 and 9 is narrower, and the sea on the right hand side runs onto a tooth where as on the 168 its to the gap between the teeth. sorry.

What a good question, I hadn't thought to look . It has about a 15deg rotation anticlockwise , that would account for the position of the stick on the left and her face on the right being so far off the normally position of die clash marks.

I hadn't noticed before but Interestingly the ghostly outline of Victoria's face can be seen on the right side of the coin.

I have one of this type [pic. below], its the same as yours a 3+d F13 but it must have been made before yours as part of the flag is still visible as a short horizontal line , yours has had more time for the die to clog up and the flag to almost disappear completely . it also has the stick like line running down from Britanniars hand, caused I think by a die clash . I've seen quite a few of these, and I wouldn't think them to be highly sought after and of any great value.

I followed that one too Ian. I've intensified and straightened the pics.

Well Tony Blair [ Labour of course] took us to war in Iraq , propping up Bush's spurious claims of weapons of mass destruction so as to secure oil concessions for US companies I presume , this has of course left us in the west with the problems we now face with Muslims . With the exception of the Attlee government, I have during my seven decades seen the Labour party came to power three times , under Wilson / Wilson-Callaghan / Blair- Brown , and every time they've left us with an economic disaster , and frankly I think it would have been even worse under Corbyn.

I have a few of what you would call dot / comer pennies . and in most cases they are never perfectly round as is the case with the 1897 , and I think this is because they were caused by a crack in the die having small pieces braking away , and then the sharp edges smoothing and rounding off. Though in the case of the 1897 it might be that a sharp pointed object was dropped onto the face of the die, which could leave a cleaner round dot. Below is an unlisted 1934 penny with an extra dot, caused I think by a die crack.

The jury's still out on the 1897 Dot . it was at first thought to be a identification marker , but its now thought to be the result of an indentation made on the top of the die , thereby giving a neat full stop like appearance . As to the Vigtoria Richard doesn't show this close up picture on his site , and as you can see the G looks far to neat in shape to be the result of a die crack, so I would favour the over stamped G made in error as the most likely cause , as the font punch used it could have come from dies used on different denominations or from a foreign coin type being produced at the mint.

When my wife worked in the city back in the 1960s, she had a client with the name of Mr Slocock !! , was this an inherited family problem for them, or not. I do of course mean the name.

I live near Bacon End. Its an absolute Pigs Arse to find.

I assume it must have been in circulation for a few years as you say, but at the time I doubt she would have noticed how worn the coin was . To late to ask her now.

I posted this some time back . It just goes to show what can go through your fingers which you later regret. Talking of what was, and was not released into circulation , during the war my mother picked up in change a brass 3d piece, which to her was just a 3d bit to spend ,she at that time had absolutely no thoughts at all of coin collecting , as after all there was a war on and she was a teenager with thoughts only of spending money . Anyway, she just glancing at the coin and noticed that the tails side was different to the normal 3d, being as she said, different with more of a stylised design than normal , but then gave the coin no more thought, and passed it to the bus conductor to pay for her fare . Well, many years later , after starting to collect coins, she found out about the Edward viii 3d piece with the stylised reverse, and knew that was what she had held in her hand all those years before , she felt sick, thinking if only I had known of there existence at the time, and if only she had turned the coin over she might have noticed that it was an Edward viii 3d, and not the George vi . I believe these were all pattern coins, and were not supposed to be released into circulation. God knows what there worth today, maybe one of you on here has one , let us know. It makes me wonder what may have passed through my hands without my knowing about its rarity . Terry

Well, that's a real petrol head for you. By the way have you seen my daughter.

They do turn up, I bought this set a couple of years back and all the coins in it do have a strong cameo appearance .

Because they know they can send another for 1p

Caused by Brexit is suppose .

Are you lot going to stop talking a load of rubbish and let us all get back to the serious stuff like Bunny pennies.

I guess they'll be incredibly scarce now then. R0 even Nowhere near as rare as Brexit its self.

There's not going to be too many customers with that sales pitch. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GB-Lucky-Penny-Pre-Decimal-1911-George-V-Coin-suit-Birthday-Anniversary/383238821157?hash=item593ad05525:g:Rq8AAOSwAPlXgL4n

There's to many of you detecting . I have fields surrounding me and during my time here I have seen one organised mass detecting weekend and numerous private individuals going around and around the field , just about every thing worth finding made of metal has gone, mostly what they find is horseshoes , nails and bits broken off a plough. You cant help but notice how many coins on ebay are corroded , and must be from ground finds . Good luck with it anyway you never know you might turn up a real gem.

To be honest I don't know it was for sale on ebay a while back, below is the other side , just as bad !!

If you think that's bad take a look at this one . I think its got woodworm

Not to clear from the picture but to me it looks more like an F174